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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby angryfan04 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:29 pm

and maybe doh can schedule Paul Quinn a couple more times for some easy Ws
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby PonyDoh » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:39 pm

angryfan04 wrote:and maybe doh can schedule Paul Quinn a couple more times for some easy Ws


zing, more quality posting from the angryfan
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby MustangIcon » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:44 pm

Here is my outlook on what we lose/gain for next season:

You lose:
-Best scorer and primary ball handler (Williams). Huge loss.
-Athletic but inconsistent 10 ppg forward (Faye). Can be replaced fairly easily.
-7th man combo guard with a sub 1 A/TO and lowest FG % of anyone on the roster that played in more than 6 games this season (McCoy Version 2009-2010). Sadly, addition by subtraction the way he played this season.

You pickup:
- A junior who could be your best scorer and primary ballhandler, and as a freshman was better than Williams (Vintage McCoy 2008-2009 with 2 more years experience)
- Two athletic, skilled freshman forwards that should easily replace Faye
- A 2 guard that can really shoot it and is an excellent passer
- Hopefully a PG that is a true ballhandler
- A full year of healthy Naykundi, he played the first half of this season injured. Prior to the Rice game he had averaged 4ppg. Since the Rice game, he has averaged 11ppg and starting with that game we began a 8-4 streak.
***Overall you return 7 of your 9 rotation players. Of those 7 one should be wildly improved (McCoy) and one should be healthy for a full season (Nyakundi). To that you are adding 3 or 4 players with a good chance to fight for a spot in the rotation immediately.

I expected that we should have at least been close to .500 last season and should eclipse .500 this season. We didn't come close to sniffing .500 last year and Doherty did not get anywhere close to the most out of his team. This year, we are on track for a .500 finish, which I believe would have been above .500 had the team's best player not fallen off the face of the earth. If I would have known coming into the season that McCoy would be lost after game 20 and that for the first 20 games he would have played like a guy that should not be in the rotation at all, I would have been thrilled with a .500 season.

Overall, we could certainly hope for better, but I don't think we are headed in a bad direction.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby Hoop Fan » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:07 pm

I really don't want to take the negative voice, but heres the devils advocate. Your returning core with experience is McCoy, Dia, Haynes, Nyakundi and Walker. McCoy has a lot to overcome, can't be anything but a big ? at this point. Haynes did not progress this year in my view, way too much hesitation, went backwards from freshman year in terms of confidence and ability to score from a critical position that you need alot of production from. I don't see any signs right now that JH is about to break out or become an assertive scorer. Nyk is a lethal spot shooter, but has trouble staying with smaller slashing forwards or banging with true power forwards. Walker, it sure looks like Doh gave up on him for the most part. Dia, he's basically our only guy who is solid and unmovable in his spot and role for next year right now. Freshmen rarely get you wins, plus I've heard that Pats has tanked this year and his coach basically is done with him but that i admit is heresay. Maybe its old school Al Maguire-esqe, but if 3 freshmen are playing big minutes, you will usually have a mediocre year 9 times out of 10 unless you have a truly special freshman. I don't think we will be terrible next year, and I obviously don't have a crystal ball on the non-conference schedule, but if we upgrade the schedule somewhat like we absolutely should and have to do, I see another .500 season, maybe a couple games over at very best. Put it this way, we won't be NIT material or anything unless CUSA is even weaker than this year.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby MustangIcon » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:44 pm

I agree that McCoy is a question mark. Heck, there is always the chance that he doesn't even come back next season. This season Dia was a question mark. As long as you are a middle of the pack CUSA team question marks will always exist. And at SMU, nothing is a certainty.

All I am saying is, we bring back the vast majority of a team that, in spite of its shortcomings, is .500, has won 8 of its last 12, and with its next win will DOUBLE the most wins we have ever had in CUSA. If McCoy comes back and plays as well as he did his freshman year, plus the returning players we have, and the incoming freshman, our team is better next season than it is this season. That is all I am saying. And if that is true, post-season play (even if it is the CBI or some other crap tourney) should be the goal.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby CalallenStang » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:18 am

Hoop Fan - here's all you need to know about Pats

Game updates - Nov 27 & December 6 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42752

Is he tanking? - Jan 2 - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43920&hilit=patsevich&start=60

Pats bounces back - Jan 7 - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43920&hilit=patsevich&start=90

January 11 & January 16 - Total Domination by Pats - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44079&p=513894&hilit=patsevich#p513894

The hearsay you heard was simply one of the many posts about Pats on this board. Good try at disparaging Doh, though.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby Stallion » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:07 pm

all of you failed to mention the great Ryan Harp-btw what is our record since he was sent to the end of the bench?
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby Hoop Fan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:15 pm

no sir, my source was not a single post on this board. I thought Pats videos looked great and said so several months ago on this board. Not sure how I am disparaging Doh, though i have been pretty straightforward for years that I did not think he was the right hire at the right time for SMU. And 4 years later, I'm still not impressed with either what has been done so far or where we sit as a program looking forward. Thats not personal in any way, but if you don't like my opinion, kiss my you know what. And if you don't like to hear facts about Dement's record etc, thats your problem too.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby Hoop Fan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:19 pm

Stallion wrote:all of you failed to mention the great Ryan Harp-btw what is our record since he was sent to the end of the bench?


yeah, give Doh credit (a raise and an extension), it only took him two years longer than the rest of us to figure that out. And even though i was never a fan of all the minutes Harp was getting early in his career, I am also not a fan of what Doh has done to him now as far as burying him on the bench never to be heard from again. Doh probably ruined the kid and then kicked him to the curb.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby Hoop Fan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:28 pm

CalallenStang wrote:Hoop Fan - here's all you need to know about Pats

Game updates - Nov 27 & December 6 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42752

Is he tanking? - Jan 2 - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43920&hilit=patsevich&start=60

Pats bounces back - Jan 7 - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43920&hilit=patsevich&start=90

January 11 & January 16 - Total Domination by Pats - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44079&p=513894&hilit=patsevich#p513894

The hearsay you heard was simply one of the many posts about Pats on this board. Good try at disparaging Doh, though.


furthermore, this is coming from you, the guy who started this thread referring to "firemattdoherty.com" in bright lights? whether you think so or not, or maybe you just can't make up your mind from day to day about what you think about the basketball program, that was more disparaging than any remark i have ever made.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby CalallenStang » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:31 pm

Hoop Fan wrote:
CalallenStang wrote:Hoop Fan - here's all you need to know about Pats

Game updates - Nov 27 & December 6 - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42752

Is he tanking? - Jan 2 - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43920&hilit=patsevich&start=60

Pats bounces back - Jan 7 - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43920&hilit=patsevich&start=90

January 11 & January 16 - Total Domination by Pats - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44079&p=513894&hilit=patsevich#p513894

The hearsay you heard was simply one of the many posts about Pats on this board. Good try at disparaging Doh, though.


furthermore, this is coming from you, the guy who started this thread referring to "firemattdoherty.com" in bright lights? whether you think so or not, or maybe you just can't make up your mind from day to day about what you think about the basketball program, that was more disparaging than any remark i have ever made.


Read my first two posts on this thread again. I posted it because of the website owner's ridiculous claim that "traffic is at an all-time high," not because I think Doh should get fired.

Since the new system was put in place, I've been in favor of keeping Doh and have made that very clear on this board.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby Stallion » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:33 pm

kind of doing my periodic review of recruits in our recruiting class-and found a February update by ESPN Insider on Leslee Smith. Was he always rated at 88 which is a pretty high score.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiti ... Id%3d82839
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby PonyDoh » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:34 pm

Hoop Fan wrote:
Stallion wrote:all of you failed to mention the great Ryan Harp-btw what is our record since he was sent to the end of the bench?


yeah, give Doh credit (a raise and an extension), it only took him two years longer than the rest of us to figure that out. And even though i was never a fan of all the minutes Harp was getting early in his career, I am also not a fan of what Doh has done to him now as far as burying him on the bench never to be heard from again. Doh probably ruined the kid and then kicked him to the curb.


LOL, what's with all the hating? It's not like Harp wasn't given his chance to succeed. He had a far longer leash then most and just never performed. If you want to haze Doh for Harp, make it for offering to begin with, not ruining the kid b/c he's gotten substantial burn. Sometimes kids just don't make the jump, no harm no foul.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby PonyDoh » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:36 pm

Stallion wrote:kind of doing my periodic review of recruits in our recruiting class-and found a February update by ESPN Insider on Leslee Smith. Was he always rated at 88 which is a pretty high score.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiti ... Id%3d82839


He may have just gotten a point bump or so, looks like they saw him in February. Before that, I thought he was an 87 w/Vilde.
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Re: FireMattDoherty.com

Postby CalallenStang » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:41 pm

Hoop Fan wrote:no sir, my source was not a single post on this board. I thought Pats videos looked great and said so several months ago on this board. Not sure how I am disparaging Doh, though i have been pretty straightforward for years that I did not think he was the right hire at the right time for SMU. And 4 years later, I'm still not impressed with either what has been done so far or where we sit as a program looking forward. Thats not personal in any way, but if you don't like my opinion, kiss my you know what. And if you don't like to hear facts about Dement's record etc, thats your problem too.


I don't think you can compare Dement's record to Doh's record. Dement coached us in the basketball purgatory known as the WAC (no Memphis-like program over there). That's got it's own challeges, etc. but cannot be compared to coaching in CUSA. Further, Dement didn't exactly have to deal with DISD coaches that feel jilted that their "buddy" Jimmy Tubbs was fired.

There's been a rumor going on (was in an ESPNDallas article) that Doh's contract is 7 years, not 5, because Doh insisted that "that's the amount of time that it will take to turn the program around." I think that if you objectively look at the situation (where we were when Tubbs was fired, the amount of time it will take to build ourselves back into favor with DISD coaches, etc.), that's probably accurate, and firing a coach when he's starting to gain traction would be a mistake that sets our program back a year or two on the timeline.

Do I think that Doh has made mistakes along the way? Sure. I'll point to a few right now: 1) Hiring Milton Barnes. Barnes is a good guy who knows basketball, but he's not the most charismatic recruiter out there, to say the least. 2) Moving Malcolm Farmer from the Ops position to a coaching position. Farmer is a smart guy, but he just wasn't ready to be in a coaching position last year. 3) All of the roster snafus (Harp, taking 7 guys in one year, etc.). These mistakes have pretty much been rectified with the hiring of the Reggies.
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