Doherty/Next Year

by **ponyinNC** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:01 am

Travis Bickle wrote:
ponyinNC wrote:So it's come to this Travis? You are making up alternate screen names now and agreeing with yourself? Wow, you and Doh must know the end is near!

Trust me I can't hold a candle to that other poster. Doh was be fine either way. If i was using alternate screen names I would step up to the plate and tell you. We just need Harry Callahan and East Texas Fan back to give us a fighting chance. This right now is like the Alamo. Hopefully we can all take our frustations out of UAB and our hostility will come out and we will actually pull for our coach and team.

Once again, Matt Doherty will have plenty of money and get a gig in the NBA or ESPN. Why keep bringing that subject up? PonyinNC - tell us in three sentences what you know about basketball.

I agree, Doh will be fine either way. He has received about $3 million from SMU, so I'm sure he has some dough put away. I like him as a man and as an ambassador of SMU athletics. I like him as a fundraiser as well. I just haven't seen the results over the course of these 6 years to justify signing him to another deal. If he gets one more year to recruit and coach out his contract, I'm okay with that provided we have a plan in place. But it is very hard to recruit when you don't have an extension. It just seems that the writing is on the wall.

And the great thing about message boards is that I don't have to justify my opinions or basketball knowledge to you or anybody else. I'm an SMU alum and fan first, which is all you really need to know. I care about my school and the athletic programs that I follow. I donate what I can. I attend bowls and any away games that I can reasonably make. I travel back to Dallas for homecoming. I will be an SMU fan when you and Doh are long gone.

And btw, my folks are Rams Club members and have had season tickets to UNC basketball since I can remember. So I have followed Coach Doh at 2 different programs. And unfortunately, it looks like the results won't be much different at SMU than they were in Chapel Hill.

by **LHS81** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:28 am

If you are from Yale, you don't know crap about basketball.

by **LHS81** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:34 am

When DOH leaves. Are you going to slurp your way off this board.

by **EastStang** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:35 am

How he's responding to himself! Schizophrenics can have conversations with themselves on message boards. Next he'll morph into Ole Sarge.

by **Bergermeister** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:45 am

LHS81 wrote:When DOH leaves. Are you going to slurp your way off this board.

He will schlep his way off. :lol:

by **CoxBizGrad** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:00 pm

This has become so juvenile since Brickle entered the fray. Why can't they stick to the facts and informed opinions without the personal, ridiculous attacks. Not much fun to read anymore.

by **Mustangs_Maroons** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:06 pm

CoxBizGrad wrote:This has become so juvenile since Brickle entered the fray. Why can't they stick to the facts and informed opinions without the personal, ridiculous attacks. Not much fun to read anymore.

Unfortunately, this happens when you have fans of coaches and individuals but not fans and supporters of SMU.

by **ponyinNC** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:04 pm

when Doh goes to the NBA? Seriously?? Let's look at FACTS, shall we? How would you measure success?

I'd go by wins and losses. Doh loses that argument. 78-103 at SMU. He lost the argument at UNC as well, when he took the Heels to an 8-20 record in 2001. His last 2 years at UNC he went 4-12 and 6-10 in the ACC. With the best recruits in the nation! Roy has been able to win titles there, how come Matty D couldn't??

If you go by recruiting, then possibly an argument can be made because we had a great class last year and Hobbie seems to be making some inroads this year as well. But the jury is still out.

If you go by fundraising, then yes I would say Doh has been a success. If you think I have missed any measurables for success, please list them and I will be happy to respond.

I didn't have to play D1 basketball or coach in the NBA to know that results are all that matter. That translates into any profession - be it coaching, sales, law, finance, etc. If you need to know my background, I'm a securities lawyer in Washington DC. And if I had the type of results that Doh has had over the last 6 years, I would have been fired long ago.

by **Mustangsabu** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:48 pm

hoopmanx wrote:this place isn't readable anymore

Seriously. This is out of hand. PonyPride goes on a much deserved vacation and the site turns to bad reality TV. Regardless of how much money anyone on here actually gives, the behavior is classless and immature. I'll never stop loving my Mustangs but if this is what the average SMU grad brings to the table, our alma mater has much bigger problems.

by **CoxBizGrad** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:09 pm

Another inappropriate and irrelevant post.

by **Bergermeister** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:35 pm

Jackson State (6-19)

by **ponyinNC** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:46 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
ponyinNC wrote:when Doh goes to the NBA? Seriously?? Let's look at FACTS, shall we? How would you measure success?

I'd go by wins and losses. Doh loses that argument. 78-103 at SMU. He lost the argument at UNC as well, when he took the Heels to an 8-20 record in 2001. His last 2 years at UNC he went 4-12 and 6-10 in the ACC. With the best recruits in the nation! Roy has been able to win titles there, how come Matty D couldn't??

TB: First of all your hard to relate to with your girlee poster. Do you frequent str888 joooo? He has named NATIONAL COACH OF THE YEAR BY HIS PEERS. He doesn't need your endorsement. Sean May broke his leg during the 8-20 season and Roy Williams won the title with Doh's recruits. Wasn't Deputy Dog AKA Roy WIlliams in the NIT just two years ago.

If you go by recruiting, then possibly an argument can be made because we had a great class last year and Hobbie seems to be making some inroads this year as well. But the jury is still out.

TB: The pro's miss on players. Golden State cut the young man from Harvard who is tearing us the league with the Knicks. Tom Brady was a sixth round draft pick. Drew Brees was not recruited by schools in Texas. You can't measure heart.

If you go by fundraising, then yes I would say Doh has been a success. If you think I have missed any measurables for success, please list them and I will be happy to respond.

TB: Graduation rates, holding players accoutable for their actions, turning out productive citizens would be measurables for success.

I didn't have to play D1 basketball or coach in the NBA to know that results are all that matter. That translates into any profession - be it coaching, sales, law, finance, etc. If you need to know my background, I'm a securities lawyer in Washington DC. And if I had the type of results that Doh has had over the last 6 years, I would have been fired long ago.

Who said you have at any success at all? Give us your list of clients and then we will have them grade you. I know lots of lawyers that are low-lives by the way.

1.) You are making my point for me. Roy WON with Doh's recruits. Doh lost with the same players.

Being named coach of the year is an endorsement by your peers, that is correct. However, he was FIRED from the school 2 years later. Many coaches have won that award, and not all have been successful after receiving it. Larry Eustachy...Kelvin Sampson...some former winners now coach in the Big South Conference (Cliff Ellis). You and I both know that success is measure by wins. Doh may have won a coach of the year award, but he was not successful at UNC and he hasn't been at SMU.

2.) I like your other measurables and agree that Doh has done well with graduating players and turning out fine young men that will represent SMU proudly as alums. And if Doh were the Dean of Students, I would say give him a raise. But he is not the Dean of Students - He is the HEAD Basketball Coach! It is a bonus that he graduates guys, but winning is really the only measurable that matters.

3.) I have held back on attacking you personally, because I think people are entitled to their opinions. I would expect the same courtesy. My job security is not at issue here, nor is my record of success. Our head coach cannot make the same claim however.

by **BigT3x** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:44 pm

Travis Bickle wrote:
TB: My boss would fire me ( don't have a boss, self made millionaire) if I had a girlee post like you do. You say that your job security is fine and so have a lot of other people I know who ended up getting fired.

Okay, this post proves it. This guy is a 12 year old.

by **Mustangsabu** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:10 pm

This is what's wrong with these forums. One eejit playing Internet dress-up and our enjoyment swirls down the u-bend of cyberspace. We now have a man who claims to be actually called Travis Bickle but who was Harry Callaghan before, who is a self-made millionaire with a TBI from a mugging who does not even own his home or have season tickets to the Stangs but who has a degree from Yale but can't spell, formulate a thought, or understand when he's not wanted.

And yes, I'm talking to you!

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by **ponyinNC** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:33 am

Hey, at least this board is entertaining these days!

So lets talk basketball. What can be done to improve the overall play of the team?

Watching the Ok St game with my uncle, who did play D1 ball, he absolutely hated Jfrog. No j, no dribble penetration, and terrible decision making throughout that game. That should have been a W. I think we need a true PG for this system to work, and Jfrog just doesn't cut it IMHO.

I'd also love to see Cunningham get more minutes.

The Princeton looks horrible. I know we run a variation more like Georgetown does, but when I watch this team it appears that the players are just running to a spot they are assigned. But they aren't setting solid picks, and they aren't playing within the flow of the game. It's more like they are trying to memorize where they are supposed to be. It looks slow, sloppy, and the backdoor cuts just aren't there. Combine that with the fact that we do not even try to get any offensive rebounds, and it is usually one bad shot and done for us. I'll again use the OkSt game as an example. We had two chances to win on last shot after time outs, and we run the clock to zero and have Jfrog chuck up two horrible shots. We didn't feed it inside, we didn't execute the offense.