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Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

SMU win the NIT Tournament.
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23%
SMU in NCAA, but lose in 1st round.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby Harry0569 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:33 pm

OhioBrownFan wrote:
MustangStealth wrote:
couch 'em wrote:NCAA obvious choice for publicity.

Plus with all the attentiin we are getting in the media not making the tourney would be seen as underperforming.


The question says "First Round" which means you're losing in those Tuesday/Wednesday night games in Dayton. There really isn't that much publicity for those teams, and what there is is mainly negative. You become the team that should have been left out in favor of the biggest "snub". I don't think that's the kind of publicity we want.

If we aren't even going to play in a "real" tournament round, I'd rather win the NIT.


They aren't going to be one of the last 4 in. Trust me, they're either gonna be in solid or they won't be. No room for wins that put them on the true bubble. They gotta win 2 of the big games and take care of the games that they will be favored in or they won't be in. If they do that, they're sitting on a 10 line or better. Not to sound like a know it all, but I really follow this stuff very closely every year as it directly relates to my job. I can pretty much tell you for a fact they won't be in the group of the last 4 unless they simply win all the games they should and don't get another big win and somehow sneak in.


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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby LHS81 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:37 pm

Agree with LB on his position of the SMU basketball job. "He wouldn't be here if he didn't think he could win an NCAA Championship". . . So for me, that mean: Cutting the nets down at Jerrah World in April :mrgreen:
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby OhioBrownFan » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:00 pm

MustangStealth wrote:
OhioBrownFan wrote:They aren't going to be one of the last 4 in. Trust me, they're either gonna be in solid or they won't be. No room for wins that put them on the true bubble. They gotta win 2 of the big games and take care of the games that they will be favored in or they won't be in. If they do that, they're sitting on a 10 line or better. Not to sound like a know it all, but I really follow this stuff very closely every year as it directly relates to my job. I can pretty much tell you for a fact they won't be in the group of the last 4 unless they simply win all the games they should and don't get another big win and somehow sneak in.


It doesn't matter. It's a purely hypothetical poll, and the question says clearly "First Round Loss". I would rather win the NIT than lose in one of those midweek games that most people ignore.


Touche, well I was just going by we won't be on directly on the bubble that SMU would have to play a "play-in" game. But that is good point you make.

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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby Topper » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:35 pm

Brad Sham posed that same question back in the 80s when we went to our first NCAA in several years. He was convinced that we should have declined the NCAA bid if that is even possible. The outcome: We lost to Georgetown, 1984 Champions, but it was an extremely competitive game and was actually in doubt up to the final minute or so. The positive noise we got for that game was worth more than 2 NIT wins.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby hoopmanx » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:52 pm

I follow a team that's been in the nit the last few, and all I can speak to is my experience as a fan who likes to watch his team play. when you have a young program, loads of young players on the roster, the nit is fun. The reality is that the NCAA is the big deal, but they are down to 16 by mid Sunday.

At that point, if you love basketball, the only thing to watch during the week is the nit. Even though it's not the NCAA, your team is one of 32 teams playing or so including the NCAA. As I've said before, teams that flourish in the nit and keep their nucleus, are legit top 20 teams the following year.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby mustang1992 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:41 am

If these were the only two options, I'd take NIT win. But for what it's worth, I don't think we'd loose in the 1st round anyway. This team is getting more and more confident as the season goes along, there has been some serious growth with some of the players even the last few games (e.g., Kennedy comes to mind as the obvious example). If you've watched them all season long, like most of us have, I believe they are a top 25 team. They just don't have the signature wins, like we need to make that happen right now. Win the next two, then upset Memphis at Moody next Saturday and we will be there! We enter the Memphis game 6-2 in conference, the Memphis atmosphere could be more exciting than the UConn atmosphere.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby EastStang » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:15 pm

NCAA. Another point re: the NIT is that I recall that teams have to bid on home games. Maybe we'll Pony Up because we have a good team this year. But, in the past we've always been on the road.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby CoxMustangFan » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:24 pm

hoopmanx wrote:I follow a team that's been in the nit the last few, and all I can speak to is my experience as a fan who likes to watch his team play. when you have a young program, loads of young players on the roster, the nit is fun. The reality is that the NCAA is the big deal, but they are down to 16 by mid Sunday.

At that point, if you love basketball, the only thing to watch during the week is the nit. Even though it's not the NCAA, your team is one of 32 teams playing or so including the NCAA. As I've said before, teams that flourish in the nit and keep their nucleus, are legit top 20 teams the following year.


How many of said teams have a nearly vertical trajectory and a coach approaching 75? NCAA...
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby Comet » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:25 pm

And this my friends, is why I voted for NIT championship in January. More recognition, more practice, more fun for the fans. With the caveat of course that this prepares us for an NCAA run next year.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby Charleston Pony » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:33 pm

I voted NIT because with the #1 seed it meant 3 more home games and then ESPN air time against the women. Pub has been priceless
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby SMU Section F » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:37 pm

I think the NIT has been great for the program's future, I loved the bonus home games (especially the Cal game), and it's obviously brought the program a lot of positive attention, but I've still gotta stick with my original answer:

SMU Section F wrote:NIT would be a satisfactory consolation prize, but the NCAA tournament is the goal. No question.


I am willing to amend "satisfactory" to "pretty amazing" however.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby Mama Bouche » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:39 pm

I don't think they would have lost in the first round. Bogus pole...
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby Rebel10 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:40 pm

Who says we would have lost the first round. If UConn is still playing we may very well still be playing now as well.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

Postby mrydel » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:43 pm

No one said we would lose. It was just an open question. Win the NIT or lose in the first round. I do not think there would be a question if we advanced to any level in the NCAA.
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Re: Win the NIT or NCAA First Round Loss?

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