state of SMU basketball

by **jtstang** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:05 am

McClown27 wrote: But, I would have fired Tubbs.

Why? For his record? Or for this alleged cheating that you now condemn as undisclosed by SMU? Or for burgers and Cheer?

by **couch 'em** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:44 am

How about because nobody was going to class?

by **friarwolf** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:50 am

I don't think we will be put on probation. I think a self-imposed reduction of a scholarship, maybe 2 will be about it. We are going to have a tough go of it next year in terms of wins and losses, imo, so let's slap ourselves when it will hurt the least.

by **McClown27** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:02 pm

jtstang wrote:Why? For his record? Or for this alleged cheating that you now condemn as undisclosed by SMU? Or for burgers and Cheer?

I would have fired Tubbs because he was a lousy basketball coach. He was a lousy hire, and he didn't land a single elite local recruit. That was the only reason they brought him here. We could do better, and we did. And yes, it appears that the program was out of control during his tenure. No one went to class, connections with Sampson, and the Williams incident.

I also know that Orsini wanted to build the stupid practice facility that you and HoopFan have been talking about the last years. With Tubbs in there, it doesn't get built. The Doherty hire is getting that thing built. Although it does not help the program outside of logistical concerns, some of you seem to think it will help recruiting.

JT, I readily admit that you have a point about the administration being more forthcoming. If he was fired for being a lousy basketball coach, they should have told him that. I simply do not know, because nothing has been released. I still wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was some kind of limited sanction was imposed. You don't know either, so we better quit bickering before Mr. Blog gets angry again.

by **Corso** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:19 pm

Call it superficial or silly or any other adjective, but the practice facility was long overdue if for no other reason than to compare with those that these recruits are seeing elsewhere. Sure, they can improve just as much on Moody's floor as in a space-age megaplex, or whatever is going to be built, but to call it "stupid" is just that. Maybe it's not vital in the day-to-day development of talent (which is not what I believe), but NOT having one is severely detrimental to recruiting.

Kudos to Steve-O and Coach Doherty for getting this thing rolling.

by **Blunt Pony** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:22 pm

jtstang wrote:
McClown27 wrote: But, I would have fired Tubbs.

Why? For his record? Or for this alleged cheating that you now condemn as undisclosed by SMU? Or for burgers and Cheer?

All of the above

by **jtstang** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:05 pm

McClown27 wrote:
jtstang wrote:Why? For his record? Or for this alleged cheating that you now condemn as undisclosed by SMU? Or for burgers and Cheer?

I would have fired Tubbs because he was a lousy basketball coach. He was a lousy hire, and he didn't land a single elite local recruit. That was the only reason they brought him here. We could do better, and we did. And yes, it appears that the program was out of control during his tenure. No one went to class, connections with Sampson, and the Williams incident.

Okay, you said a lot of stuff there, so let's parse. He's a lousy coach who did not live up to his recruiting reputation. By that I assume you mean his record sucked and did not land the big DISD stud. So you're willing to give a guy two years to win and recruit studs. Let's see if your ready to fire the new coach in two years, if, as all indications suggest, he does neither.

Also, the programs appears out of control under Tubbs. Examples: classroom attendance, Sampson connection, Williams. Well, the first two are not NCAA violations, so I guess we're back to burgers and Cheer for you. Thanks for verifying.

At least I've brought you around on the disclosure issue, so not all of my work was in vain.

by **ponyboy** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:38 pm

"Out of control" does not require an NCAA violation. I believe that we agree, though, that Tubbs did not get a fair shake if the items other than burgers and cheer turn out not to be.

by **jtstang** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:53 pm

ponyboy wrote:"Out of control" does not require an NCAA violation.

Okay, but if "out of control" is the reason then the statement of Copeland quoted elsewhere in this thread will be a big, big fib, which I will have a whole new problem with. The only thing worse than withholding the true reasons he was fired would be to suggest that NCAA violations were involved when they weren't.

And we do agree on the other thing.

by **McClown27** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:26 pm

JT,

They wanted to build that stupid practice facility that you want & and it is accomplished. That is what Orsini got when Doherty came here, a legitimate face for SMU basketball for alums and Dallas. I am sure you know that there is a political element to every job.

Tubbs did absolutely nothing to help his cause the last couple of years. No big local recruit, attendance went down, and the Sampson thing. Send Orsini an email about it.

I hope the administration was honest about the cause of the firing.

by **EastStang** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:41 pm

If I'm Coach Doherty and we have a losing season this year, I'm talking to my agent about where I'm going after next season because we now know that SMU only gives coaches 1 plus years to turn a basketball program around.

by **ponyboy** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:18 pm

jtstang wrote: And we do agree on the other thing.

I think we agree with everything on this issue except that you've wanted information now and I'm content to wait until the NCAA announces.

by **giacfsp** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:02 pm

You forgot to mention the fact that endless ranting on this site is not going to affect if or when the school makes any announcements. If you're having that much difficulty letting go of Coach Tubbs -- who I happened to like -- call someone at the school. The repeated repetitiveness here on this site is getting and becoming old .... and did I mention repetitive?

I would think it might feel like beating your head against a brick wall. The readers of this site can not make the school announce anything, so those demanding an explanation clearly are barking up the wrong tree here.

by **Pony_Fan** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:08 pm

EastStang wrote:If I'm Coach Doherty and we have a losing season this year, I'm talking to my agent about where I'm going after next season because we now know that SMU only gives coaches 1 plus years to turn a basketball program around.

That is ridiculous. He is making $600k - he knows he is going to suck next year. Sure, he'll look for a better opportunity AFTER he succeeds but nobody is going to pay him that money after jumping around.

by **McClown27** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:58 pm

Frankly, I don't feel that the people on this board who were constantly talking about the need for a practice facility can coherently criticize the Tubbs firing.

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