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good old day syndrome

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:53 am
by Hoop Fan
who knew it was such a high watermark at the time, but remember when Moody was sold out for a basketball game? In this millenium that is. Not only was that a good team and fun to watch, it played a much better schedule and in a tougher overall conference than what we have now. The WAC back then had several good teams with a great Tulsa program, Fresno was tough, as was TCU under Billyball. This Tulsa loss was an agonizing one, but looks like a dream now. Note the roster. Gotta give Jim Copeland credit and Dement, they had the right idea on how to how to get this program on track at least.

http://smumustangs.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030400aaa.html

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:59 pm
by mr. pony
What year was that?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:13 pm
by Pony_Fan
2000. Seems to be nostalgia week on the board.

I enjoyed the games vs Fresno the Shark, Ely, Alexander and the ex-con who could shoot three's... Chris Herron?
http://smumustangs.cstv.com/sports/m-ba ... 00aaa.html

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:38 am
by papawasamustang
Moody is a great place to watch basketball. It's history is incredible.

My hope is someday the magic will return (with local players :lol: )

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:17 am
by gregkinzer
Moody is an AWESOME facility. It is loud. Really loud when you get a bunch of fans in there.....

There is one way to increase attendance to basketball games, no matter how bad the team is, but that will NEVER happen. Beer would increase the attendance by 3000 each game -- remember those frat houses right across the street :roll:

Of all the things going against the program now, the facility should not be on that list. Cameron Indoor Arena at Duke is a tiny shoebox but is considered one of the best places to watch a college game, because the fans (students) are bonkers.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:44 am
by DiamondM75
Not to mention, this Athletic Department is doing everything possible to kill the basketball atmosphere. I am so sick and tired of commercials and stupid half time putting contest. This program needs all the excitement it can generate. We need dancing girls (not prostitotes), music, entertainment, entertainment. This is show business, not a paid programming commercial.

I have never attended a more boring sporting event as the last two home games. Yes, the students are not there, the cheerleaders are not there and the pom girls are not there, but there can still be excitement created in Moody. Are we so financially strapped that we have to sell commercials during critical time outs that just absolutely kill any and all excitement that is starting to generate. Get someone to "correograph" the basketball atmostphere in Moody, and get the excitement back.

I am an avid SMU fan and supporter, but believe me, if this is the product that SMU is presenting, I can see why we have no attendance at basketball games. This is just boring, boring, boring. I don't even want to attend these games. If you want the Dallas area sports fan, local basketball players and coaches to attend, you better add some excitement to the program. Times a wasting and fast.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:31 am
by PonyKai
DiamondM75 wrote:Not to mention, this Athletic Department is doing everything possible to kill the basketball atmosphere. I am so sick and tired of commercials and stupid half time putting contest. This program needs all the excitement it can generate. We need dancing girls (not prostitotes), music, entertainment, entertainment. This is show business, not a paid programming commercial.

I have never attended a more boring sporting event as the last two home games. Yes, the students are not there, the cheerleaders are not there and the pom girls are not there, but there can still be excitement created in Moody. Are we so financially strapped that we have to sell commercials during critical time outs that just absolutely kill any and all excitement that is starting to generate. Get someone to "correograph" the basketball atmostphere in Moody, and get the excitement back.

I am an avid SMU fan and supporter, but believe me, if this is the product that SMU is presenting, I can see why we have no attendance at basketball games. This is just boring, boring, boring. I don't even want to attend these games. If you want the Dallas area sports fan, local basketball players and coaches to attend, you better add some excitement to the program. Times a wasting and fast.


Than maybe it would help a little to compose a nice, quick email with a suggestion or two and shoot it off to someone who cares instead of everyone continually moaning how awful things are on here.

Anybody notice how quickly the trivia got changed after everyone complained? Geez it's not like they're trying to torture the fans. If you think you have something more interesting for the fans to create a better atmosphere, than why don't you tell someone that cares.

[email protected]
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[email protected]

It might be naive to think that they will act like your words fell from heaven, but a school with struggling athletic prowess and a small (dedicated) fan base will listen to their customer base when presented in a reasonable forum.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:08 pm
by DiamondM75
Stlhockeyguy02

Thanks for the emails. It has been done.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:19 pm
by Hoop Fan
DiamondM75 wrote:Not to mention, this Athletic Department is doing everything possible to kill the basketball atmosphere. I am so sick and tired of commercials and stupid half time putting contest. This program needs all the excitement it can generate. We need dancing girls (not prostitotes), music, entertainment, entertainment. This is show business, not a paid programming commercial.

I have never attended a more boring sporting event as the last two home games. Yes, the students are not there, the cheerleaders are not there and the pom girls are not there, but there can still be excitement created in Moody. Are we so financially strapped that we have to sell commercials during critical time outs that just absolutely kill any and all excitement that is starting to generate. Get someone to "correograph" the basketball atmostphere in Moody, and get the excitement back.

I am an avid SMU fan and supporter, but believe me, if this is the product that SMU is presenting, I can see why we have no attendance at basketball games. This is just boring, boring, boring. I don't even want to attend these games. If you want the Dallas area sports fan, local basketball players and coaches to attend, you better add some excitement to the program. Times a wasting and fast.


so true. you are spot on with every point you make. sorry folks, but this is noticeably different and worse than 5 years ago at Moody and with this program. we are not comparing to atmosphere at Allen Fieldhouse. As Kinzer said too, the schedule is a joke. I don't care how young your team is, the schedule is pitiful and terrible for SMU basketball. you can play some cupcakes, but you have to mix in a few decent home games. We are not fighting for an NCAA bid this year or anything else, so tell me why we have to play 12 cupcakes instead of 10. Have a home game that is worth a damn and gets the players and the fans up for the game. Our conference schedule is fine, but boring as heck too.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:48 pm
by PonyKai
Hoop Fan wrote:
DiamondM75 wrote:Not to mention, this Athletic Department is doing everything possible to kill the basketball atmosphere. I am so sick and tired of commercials and stupid half time putting contest. This program needs all the excitement it can generate. We need dancing girls (not prostitotes), music, entertainment, entertainment. This is show business, not a paid programming commercial.

I have never attended a more boring sporting event as the last two home games. Yes, the students are not there, the cheerleaders are not there and the pom girls are not there, but there can still be excitement created in Moody. Are we so financially strapped that we have to sell commercials during critical time outs that just absolutely kill any and all excitement that is starting to generate. Get someone to "correograph" the basketball atmostphere in Moody, and get the excitement back.

I am an avid SMU fan and supporter, but believe me, if this is the product that SMU is presenting, I can see why we have no attendance at basketball games. This is just boring, boring, boring. I don't even want to attend these games. If you want the Dallas area sports fan, local basketball players and coaches to attend, you better add some excitement to the program. Times a wasting and fast.


so true. you are spot on with every point you make. sorry folks, but this is noticeably different and worse than 5 years ago at Moody and with this program. we are not comparing to atmosphere at Allen Fieldhouse. As Kinzer said too, the schedule is a joke. I don't care how young your team is, the schedule is pitiful and terrible for SMU basketball. you can play some cupcakes, but you have to mix in a few decent home games. We are not fighting for an NCAA bid this year or anything else, so tell me why we have to play 12 cupcakes instead of 10. Have a home game that is worth a damn and gets the players and the fans up for the game. Our conference schedule is fine, but boring as heck too.


While it may be of little consolation, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the schedule is designed to mature with the team. It is extremely reasonable to expect a few to several more decent mid-major teams on the schedule next year, and more the year after that.

On the subject of playing big name programs, the basketball culture seems to conflict with the teams "business model" if you will. In this day and age, it is difficult to schedule big name programs for home and homes, regardless of the stature or quality of the team. It was pointed out to me how few away games teams like Duke, UNC play away from home, even if it is a hand-me win. This is speaking outside of the neutral-site tournaments of course. How Kentucky and Houston scheduled a home and home, I have no idea, I'd love to know.

Some big name teams would support a neutral site game such as, say. American Airlines arena. However, the difficulties with this is that it's hard to drum up financial commitment for renovation to the coliseum when you are playing home games away from your own home. That is some of the prevailing logic.

Again, these points of thought are all debatable, I'm sure. I'm also stepping pretty far outside my own personal comfort level of knowledge here in terms of basketball. But this is what I've 'learned'. The progression of the schedule is designed to coincide with the maturation of the team, and as I think most around here know, Mr. Doherty prefers to obtain home and home series, and not pay-for-pound away trips.

I also found it interesting that he wants to 'start' his own Christmas tournament here in Dallas.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:24 pm
by Hoop Fan
i agree that its not easy to schedule good programs at your house. you might have to beg and plead for a couple 2 for 1s. Better get started now, if you want any home games in 2009-10 when you think you have a good team. Newsflash, SMU has no shot at an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament in CUSA for as long as Calipari is at Memphis and probably even after that. So, that means you have to get an at large invite. That is all about scheduling when you are a mid major. And playing a few more mid majors at home as you say two years from now aint gonna cut it. By the way, our past coaches have gotten OU and Oklahoma State to come to dallas on 1 for 1s. Wake Forest also when they were top 10. And please don't tell me that we couldnt get Vanderbilt or Notre Dame or someone in here. It doesnt have to be Duke.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:43 pm
by papawasamustang
Getting people to play a back to back is not as hard in BB as in FB.

They have to start by playing the road games first.
There are plenty of D1 teams that would come to Dallas.
Financially it makes great since to continue to play TCU. Add Baylor, UT,
UNT, UTA, Texas Tech, OU, OSU, Oral Roberts, LSU, New Mexico, New Mexico State & 3 or 4 of the UNC's, Louisville, UCLA's.
Again, why wasn't SMU playing either before or after the TT Stanford game?

Remember the Carl Wright team @ NC. Wasn't that great !

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:04 pm
by Pony_Fan
Let's hope next year we aren't playing Paul Quinn 2x, Eastern Oklahoma Christian College, Alabama St., and the like.

Memphis will be the only game there will be a somewhat decent crowd at Moody this year.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:07 pm
by Pony_Fan
DiamondM75 wrote:Not to mention, this Athletic Department is doing everything possible to kill the basketball atmosphere. I am so sick and tired of commercials and stupid half time putting contest. This program needs all the excitement it can generate. We need dancing girls (not prostitotes), music, entertainment, entertainment. This is show business, not a paid programming commercial.

I have never attended a more boring sporting event as the last two home games. Yes, the students are not there, the cheerleaders are not there and the pom girls are not there, but there can still be excitement created in Moody. Are we so financially strapped that we have to sell commercials during critical time outs that just absolutely kill any and all excitement that is starting to generate. Get someone to "correograph" the basketball atmostphere in Moody, and get the excitement back.

I am an avid SMU fan and supporter, but believe me, if this is the product that SMU is presenting, I can see why we have no attendance at basketball games. This is just boring, boring, boring. I don't even want to attend these games. If you want the Dallas area sports fan, local basketball players and coaches to attend, you better add some excitement to the program. Times a wasting and fast.



What do you suggest? What do other programs do?? Advertising is critical however.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:01 pm
by DiamondM75
I know advertising is critical, but we have way too much.

As for suggestions.

Quit handcuffing the band. Let the band play spirit songs during critical time outs. We need a game director who will determine if a commercial break would hinder the atmosphere.

During the winter break, invite local high school cheerleaders and pom squads to fill in. Play their music, let them do halftimes, let them cheer. Make it a contest and the winner gets $$$ for their organization. Anything is more interesting than putting on a hardwood floor.

These are just 2 ideas off the top of my head. Maybe other ponyfans have ideas. We can put them together and send an email.