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I also posted this on the other thread:

his son would not enroll at SMU, even though he would lose a year of eligibility and be forced to sit out a full season.

Wow, Daddy Dubois won't even let his boy get a good education for a year and transfer to another program.

So the father has said under no circumstances will Jared be attending SMU? Damn. This family is starting to sound like trouble for whatever school Jared ends up at. Best of luck to the kid.

we're idiots for not letting this kid out of his LOI. It's embarrassing and awful P/R in the So-Cal high school ranks. We were on the list of another Westchester kid, pretty sure that won't happen now.

You don't force these kids to attend when their lead recruiter left, and the staff lied to you about how many PGs they were recruiting. Most kids commit to coaches, whether its the head coach or assistant, not schools. I guarantee Dubois didn't know SMU from a hole in the ground, but he liked his recruiter & the attention the head man gave him. It didn't have to do w/a dying need to attend a lily white private school in Dallas.

When your lead recruiter leaves and the head man signs two additional PGs, whatever trust or bond w/the coach existed, is quickly destroyed. We have nothing to gain by holding this kid hostage, nothing.

PonyDoh wrote:we're idiots for not letting this kid out of his LOI. It's embarrassing and awful P/R in the So-Cal high school ranks. We were on the list of another Westchester kid, pretty sure that won't happen now.

You don't force these kids to attend when their lead recruiter left, and the staff lied to you about how many PGs they were recruiting. Most kids commit to coaches, whether its the head coach or assistant, not schools. I guarantee Dubois didn't know SMU from a hole in the ground, but he liked his recruiter & the attention the head man gave him. It didn't have to do w/a dying need to attend a lily white private school in Dallas.

When your lead recruiter leaves and the head man signs two additional PGs, whatever trust or bond w/the coach existed, is quickly destroyed. We have nothing to gain by holding this kid hostage, nothing.

While I agree that we are losing in this deal, I disagree with the premise that kids commit to coaches rather than schools. While that may be the current fact of the process, that's not how it should be, and in fact, when you sign a NLI, you do commit to a school. There's nothing in the NLI that says "This agreement to attend [university] is contingent upon the employment by [university] of [coach's name]."

I agree with Pony Doh that this can only hurt our efforts to recruit in SoCal. Is it really worth the effort to keep a kid that obviously doesn't want to be here against what you potentially lose in negative word of mouth? Just doesn't seem worth it to me.

CalallenStang wrote:

PonyDoh wrote:we're idiots for not letting this kid out of his LOI. It's embarrassing and awful P/R in the So-Cal high school ranks. We were on the list of another Westchester kid, pretty sure that won't happen now.

You don't force these kids to attend when their lead recruiter left, and the staff lied to you about how many PGs they were recruiting. Most kids commit to coaches, whether its the head coach or assistant, not schools. I guarantee Dubois didn't know SMU from a hole in the ground, but he liked his recruiter & the attention the head man gave him. It didn't have to do w/a dying need to attend a lily white private school in Dallas.

When your lead recruiter leaves and the head man signs two additional PGs, whatever trust or bond w/the coach existed, is quickly destroyed. We have nothing to gain by holding this kid hostage, nothing.

While I agree that we are losing in this deal, I disagree with the premise that kids commit to coaches rather than schools. While that may be the current fact of the process, that's not how it should be, and in fact, when you sign a NLI, you do commit to a school. There's nothing in the NLI that says "This agreement to attend [university] is contingent upon the employment by [university] of [coach's name]."

and no offense, you are probably a middle-aged white guy, whose pragmatic perception has little to do w/the reality of the new basketball industry. Half these kids commit based on shoe-affiliation, AAU steering, playing time, chance to star, TV contracts, training facilities & coaches. The name on the jersey matters after you established some pride in the University. In the case of elite schools w/true tradition, it's a little different, but not at our level. Until then, its all about the aforementioned. What the wording on the NLI states is irrelevant.

Doh knows these things, and understands the trail, which is why his tactics here, surprise. What it tells me is that he expected the kid to get serious time, possibly even start, despite bringing in additional PGs. He's trying to convince the Dubois' that his role hasn't change despite the numbers glut. Unfortunately, bringing in 3 PGs in one class and a PG/combo in the previous class is overkill, somewhat bad roster planning, and will [deleted] of kids & parents, if they were led to believe their kid was the only PG being recruited

I suspect there is a lot to the story that we don't yet know.

PonyDoh wrote:

CalallenStang wrote:

PonyDoh wrote:we're idiots for not letting this kid out of his LOI. It's embarrassing and awful P/R in the So-Cal high school ranks. We were on the list of another Westchester kid, pretty sure that won't happen now.

You don't force these kids to attend when their lead recruiter left, and the staff lied to you about how many PGs they were recruiting. Most kids commit to coaches, whether its the head coach or assistant, not schools. I guarantee Dubois didn't know SMU from a hole in the ground, but he liked his recruiter & the attention the head man gave him. It didn't have to do w/a dying need to attend a lily white private school in Dallas.

When your lead recruiter leaves and the head man signs two additional PGs, whatever trust or bond w/the coach existed, is quickly destroyed. We have nothing to gain by holding this kid hostage, nothing.

While I agree that we are losing in this deal, I disagree with the premise that kids commit to coaches rather than schools. While that may be the current fact of the process, that's not how it should be, and in fact, when you sign a NLI, you do commit to a school. There's nothing in the NLI that says "This agreement to attend [university] is contingent upon the employment by [university] of [coach's name]."

and no offense, you are probably a middle-aged white guy, whose pragmatic perception has little to do w/the reality of the new basketball industry. Half these kids commit based on shoe-affiliation, AAU steering, playing time, chance to star, TV contracts, training facilities & coaches. The name on the jersey matters after you established some pride in the University. In the case of elite schools w/true tradition, it's a little different, but not at our level. Until then, its all about the aforementioned. What the wording on the NLI states is irrelevant.

Doh knows these things, and understands the trail, which is why his tactics here, surprise. What it tells me is that he expected the kid to get serious time, possibly even start, despite bringing in additional PGs. He's trying to convince the Dubois' that his role hasn't change despite the numbers glut. Unfortunately, bringing in 3 PGs in one class and a PG/combo in the previous class is overkill, somewhat bad roster planning, and will [deleted] of kids & parents, if they were led to believe their kid was the only PG being recruited

1. No offense taken (and I'm not middle-aged, yet...I hope...LOL)
2. Actually, I'm pretty dialed in to the reality of basketball recruiting. I know what goes on. My wording wasn't quite right; what I meant to say is that while your statement is correct, that's not the way it should be. It's nice to see our coaching staff taking a stand for the way it should be.
3. Were we even in on McCoy when Dubois committed? I don't remember. The timeline all runs together in my head.

It's all water under the bridge at this point.

Doh for whatever reason has dug in his heels. The kid probably won't come here and if he does it will be with a bad attitude.

The only way I see Doh letting the kid go now is if he has someone else waitng in the wings which looks unlikely given this late date. He could let him go and redeem himself. I would like to see this but I wouldn't bet on it.

I'm with you PD. This is a mess that should have been disposed of quietly as soon as he wanted out so that both sides could move on.

Makes no sense.

Why deny his release.

couch 'em wrote:I suspect there is a lot to the story that we don't yet know.

i second that. so lets not get ahead of ourselves and say its bad for P/R when we dont know the full story.

J.T.supporta wrote:

couch 'em wrote:I suspect there is a lot to the story that we don't yet know.

i second that. so lets not get ahead of ourselves and say its bad for P/R when we dont know the full story.

I agree. Time will tell.

We'll see where DuBois ends up after this year. That will tell us volumes. My take is that Doherty held his feet to the fire for a reason. He wasn't being a gratuitous jerk. We don't know the reason and can only speculate. DuBois has lots of other options, JUCO, Prep, etc. that he can pursue if he doesn't want to come here. I think Doherty knows that PG's are hard to rate in high school. Some of our best PG's were not highly recruited, and our biggest name recruit PG, Hopkins never matched his hype.

mathman wrote:

J.T.supporta wrote:

couch 'em wrote:I suspect there is a lot to the story that we don't yet know.

i second that. so lets not get ahead of ourselves and say its bad for P/R when we dont know the full story.

I agree. Time will tell.

Probably.... but did we ever get the full story behind burgers and tide?