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I got absolutely ripped for what I said. And then I got accused of alleged waffling becuase of the A&M-CC and CU wins.

Well, look where we are now. Nothing's changed since before Thanksgiving.

At the time, I remember saying roughly

*Papa Dia is a wuss
*What exactly are Malone's and Harp's roles?
*Our guards are fine but will be worn out by early Jan
*Play no defense and can't identify shooters

Doherty suvives this year but is put on notice for 2009-2010.

Who would have believed that a formerly good coach would lose at SMU? I am beginning to think it is the school that is the loser, and why I just don't know.

Sam I Am wrote:Who would have believed that a formerly good coach would lose at SMU? I am beginning to think it is the school that is the loser, and why I just don't know.

Sam, as much as I hate to say it, this has been my feeling for years now. We just seem to be snake-bit no matter what we try to do. I don't think there is another Division 1 school out there that is as starved for good luck or at least something positive to happen to it for once as SMU is. We are a disgrace in football and basketball. No other word for it. "LOSER" is the only description for SMU athletics.

congrats Patton! Way to go!! You are the best poster w/ the best ideas.

Pony_Fan wrote:congrats Patton! Way to go!! You are the best poster w/ the best ideas.

Do you think I enjoy doing this? I have said that I want this program to succeed in the worst way.

We're not getting there under this regime.

It will turn. The question is when and with who? I'm willing to ride it out.

Sam I Am wrote:Who would have believed that a formerly good coach would lose at SMU? I am beginning to think it is the school that is the loser, and why I just don't know.

Why did his alma mater UNC get rid of him in short order?????

George S. Patton wrote:

Pony_Fan wrote:congrats Patton! Way to go!! You are the best poster w/ the best ideas.

Do you think I enjoy doing this? I have said that I want this program to succeed in the worst way.

We're not getting there under this regime.

It will turn. The question is when and with who? I'm willing to ride it out.

Why write the "i was right" post if you don't want credit or joy?

smupony wrote:

George S. Patton wrote:

Pony_Fan wrote:congrats Patton! Way to go!! You are the best poster w/ the best ideas.

Do you think I enjoy doing this? I have said that I want this program to succeed in the worst way.

We're not getting there under this regime.

It will turn. The question is when and with who? I'm willing to ride it out.

Why write the "i was right" post if you don't want credit or joy?

Because the signs were there that this kind of season was more realistic than the utopian aspirations hoped by others.

And I got tired of others telling us the following,

* "Well, when Faye starts with us, we'll be better.''
* "Well, when we get into a rotation after non-conference, we'll be better.''
* "Well, we'll start winning a lot more games at the end of the season because we'll be better.'' Of course, we must have forgotten there was home-and-home with Memphis, home-and-home with Houston, home-and-home with Tulsa and a trip to UTEP.

When you refuse to accept it for what it is, you're setting yourself up for a fall.

This team has such poor work habits, especially on defense, I don't know why people thought that the above would magically turn it around. The tone should have been set back in October. It sure as hell was. Now, it's 6-11.

And I have yet to see anybody on this team remotely resemble a leader. It's BS. There is no chemistry and little sense to what I'm seeing.

We've played about 10 home games? I've been to none of them. All I know is that I've saved a bunch of money.

When SMU wants to get serious about its men's BB program, please let me know.

For 3 years, we've had a bunch of lip service to try and cover the results.

Well, how's that working out for ya?

Sam I Am wrote:Who would have believed that a formerly good coach would lose at SMU? I am beginning to think it is the school that is the loser, and why I just don't know.

Did you say formerly good coach? Let's take a look at Doh as a head coach prior to SMU:

2000 at Notre Dame -- 22-15 NIT
2001 at UNC -- 26-7 NCAA (upset in second round)
2002 at UNC -- 8-20 No postseason
2003 at UNC -- 19-16 NIT
2006 at FAU -- 14-14 No postseason
Totals -- 89-72

At ND, he was average.

He was about the fourth or fifth when he got the UNC job and he was a disaster there. If he hadn't played in Chapel Hill, there is no way he would have sniffed that job. When he got it, he ran a blueblooded program into the ground.

UNC has made the NCAA Tournament 32 of the last 34 years. Guess who presided over the two seasons that they didn't make it? The Heels had 30 straight 20-win seasons and Doh's first year made number 31. His second and third teams combined for 27 wins. UNC finished in the top three in the ACC standings for 36 consecutive years before his second and third teams didn't do it.

The one decent team he had, they were upset in the second round of the NCAAs. I

At FAU he was average.

Now onto SMU:
2007 -- 14-17, 3-13 No postseason
2008 -- 10-20, 4-12 No postseason
2009 -- 6-11, 1-4 (another year of no postseason)
Totals -- 30-48, 8-29

He has compiled a terrible record at SMU. His first three years are looking like the program's worst three-season stretch since Shumate's final two and Dement's first when SMU was playing with the big boys in the SWC.

The record is bad enough but then you thrown in that the schedule has been an absolute joke as well -- losing to some programs that SMU fans have never heard of. The SOS the last three years has probably been bottom 150 in the country.

This is his 8th year as a head coach and he has been to the NCAAs one time and to the NIT twice.

Call Doh a lot of things -- good at PR, a salesman, etc. -- but please don't call him a good coach. His career as a head coach just doesn't support that statement.

Sam I Am wrote:Who would have believed that a formerly good coach would lose at SMU? I am beginning to think it is the school that is the loser, and why I just don't know.

Sam, I am going to reiterate this one more time. The collapse of the old Southwest Conf. combined with the NCAA imposed Death Penalty are the reasons we suck so bad these days and are the reasons we will continue to suck. The time to panic was 1987, not now.

did doh really win 14 games in his first year here? i had forgotten that. And we might win 10 this year if we are lucky? oh my.

Patton, i do see the makings of a great leader in McCoy. I think the problem is we dont have any capable/willing followers.

[quote="Hoop Fan"]did doh really win 14 games in his first year here? i had forgotten that. And we might win 10 this year if we are lucky? oh my.[/quote]

Yup, 14 big ones! And 12 of those wins were even against Division 1 teams! You dont remember that? Man, those were the salad days, the heyday of Mustang hoops. I feel nostalgic, thinking back on Dez Willingham's last second shot to beat TCU, and the huge win over Dayton.... ahhhhhh, brings a tear to my eye, things just havent been the same since Dez graduated.... or transferred.... or got run off...... or whatever it was.

Hoop Fan wrote:did doh really win 14 games in his first year here? i had forgotten that. And we might win 10 this year if we are lucky? oh my.

Of those 14 wins that year -- 13 came against teams ranked outside the top 100 in the RPI, 10 came against teams outside the top 150 and 7 came against teams ranked 200 or worse.

He has lost to the following schools: North Carolina A&T, Southern, Alabama State, Centenary, South Carolina Upstate, Arkansas Pine Bluff and Texas San Antonio

One third of his career victories at SMU have come against the following:
Houston Baptist, TA&M International, TA&M Corpus Christi, UTSA, Prairie View (twice), Texas State, Brown and UT Pan Am.

He has beaten five teams in his SMU career that have finished with a winning record (hasn't beaten one this year that has a winning record right now): in 2007, Louisiana Monroe (15-14), Dayton (19-12) and Tulane (15-13); in 2008, UCF (16-15), UTEP (19-14); and this year zero.

It doesn't take five or six years to build a competitive basketball program.

He made a big mistake taking seven kids in his first full recruiting class (two of which can play at this level). Williams and McCoy are/were good gets. Dia and Nykundi are decent. The rest can't play at the level needed to make the NCAAs.

Oh, forgot about Faye.

depressing. although i must say i am enjoying this year far, far more than last year. at least mccoy is fun to watch and could be one piece of a decent team in the future. Last year was torture knowing we were playing a bunch of freshman who didnt have it. which this, their sophomore year, seems to be proving without much doubt.