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Baylor 71 -- Final
Kansas 64

Quarterfinals of the Big 12 tournament. Bears stood toe to toe with them and actually played some defense. Their mental toughness really stood out to me.

B-b-b-but turning around a basketball program takes decades! Doherty just needs more time!

you realize that you are making the point in favor of keeping Doherty don't you? Last or next to last in all 4 of his first 4 years. This is the basis of why I believe Doherty without question deserves 4 years and probably 5 to turn it around.

2003–2004 Baylor 8-21 3-13 11th —
2004–2005 Baylor 9-19 1-15 12th —
2005–2006 Baylor 4-13 4-12 12th —
2006–2007 Baylor 15-16 4-12 11th —
2007–2008 Baylor 21-11 9-7 T–4th NCAA First Round



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Drew

Stallion wrote:you realize that you are making the point in favor of keeping Doherty don't you?

2003–2004 Baylor 8-21 3-13 11th —
2004–2005 Baylor 9-19 1-15 12th —
2005–2006 Baylor 4-13 4-12 12th —
2006–2007 Baylor 15-16 4-12 11th —
2007–2008 Baylor 21-11 9-7 T–4th NCAA First Round



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Drew

I just made an obversation about the game I just watched.

George S. Patton wrote:

Stallion wrote:you realize that you are making the point in favor of keeping Doherty don't you?

2003–2004 Baylor 8-21 3-13 11th —
2004–2005 Baylor 9-19 1-15 12th —
2005–2006 Baylor 4-13 4-12 12th —
2006–2007 Baylor 15-16 4-12 11th —
2007–2008 Baylor 21-11 9-7 T–4th NCAA First Round



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Drew

I just made an obversation about the game I just watched.

he was talking about mustangstealth

Geez I was talking about Stealth-who seems to be implying that Baylor was an overnite success-he used the word decade implying that he was exaggerating. Pay attention.

With all due respect, if we can go 15-16 next year and beat 5 Big XII-caliber teams, I will galdly eat my words. While this year's class shows more promise than last year's, I don't see that happening.

I tried to delete it when I recognized where it was going. But by then, Icon had posted so I couldn't delete it. My bad.

Go Gophers!!

MustangStealth wrote:With all due respect, if we can go 15-16 next year and beat 5 Big XII-caliber teams, I will galdly eat my words. While this year's class shows more promise than last year's, I don't see that happening.

I like how people here expect SMU, a CUSA team, to be measured against the Big12. How many teams in CUSA can beat 5 Big12 caliber teams? Tulsa, UAB- maybe?

Recruiting is Relative is a basic tenant of true Stallionism.

Stallion wrote:Recruiting is Relative

BINGO

I posted this in the other thread in reply to the comparison of its easier for SMU in CUSA than it is for Baylor in Big12.

MustangIcon wrote:

MustangStealth wrote:With all due respect, if we can go 15-16 next year and beat 5 Big XII-caliber teams, I will galdly eat my words. While this year's class shows more promise than last year's, I don't see that happening.

I like how people here expect SMU, a CUSA team, to be measured against the Big12. How many teams in CUSA can beat 5 Big12 caliber teams? Tulsa, UAB- maybe?

The point is that Baylor showed improvement every year. Does anyone truly believe we are on the rise? And if Tulsa can get the recruits to compete, there's no reason we can't.

MustangStealth wrote:

MustangIcon wrote:

MustangStealth wrote:With all due respect, if we can go 15-16 next year and beat 5 Big XII-caliber teams, I will galdly eat my words. While this year's class shows more promise than last year's, I don't see that happening.

I like how people here expect SMU, a CUSA team, to be measured against the Big12. How many teams in CUSA can beat 5 Big12 caliber teams? Tulsa, UAB- maybe?

The point is that Baylor showed improvement every year. Does anyone truly believe we are on the rise? And if Tulsa can get the recruits to compete, there's no reason we can't.

1. Tulsa has a MUCH stronger basketball tradition over the last 20 years than we do. 2. I think we are bringing in the recruits to compete- McCoy, Williams, Faye- these are guys that could play (or have in Faye's case) at a higher level than in CUSA. Dia, although awful this season, could have been at OU or Louisville just as easily as he ended up here. That is bringing in the players to compete. Now we need to turn that talent into wins.

No I don't see that they made any real improvement every year. This is a key moment. Do you believe in the concept of Program- building or are you going for the quick fix every time. Mike K at Duke had similiar problems when building his program-no conference winning record until 5th year. It is not uncommon at all in either football or basketball. Jackie Sherrill, Ron Meyer, Frank Beamer at Virginia Tech and Bill McCartnety at Colorado are others out of hundreds of examples that jump immediately to mind. It takes 4-5 years-that's pretty common understanding for rebuilding a bottomed out program for those not deluded by the Saviour Complex

MustangIcon wrote:1. Tulsa has a MUCH stronger basketball tradition over the last 20 years than we do. 2. I think we are bringing in the recruits to compete- McCoy, Williams, Faye- these are guys that could play (or have in Faye's case) at a higher level than in CUSA. Dia, although awful this season, could have been at OU or Louisville just as easily as he ended up here. That is bringing in the players to compete. Now we need to turn that talent into wins.

Tulsa over the last 15 years- 11 post season trips. Compare that to SMU and I think they might have a slight edge there.

1994 Sweet Sixteen
1995 Sweet Sixteen
1996 First Round
1997 Round of 32
1999 Round of 32
2000 Elite Eight
2001 NIT Champions
2002 Round of 32
2003 Round of 32
2008 CBI Champion
2009 Lock for post season