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Doh has brought the program to an embarrassing new low.

I agree. This program should be so much better. Let's see what Lutz has, cause Doh's got nothing

Ever notice it's about the same 10 talking SMU hoops all the time?

Shouldn't that tell us something?

George S. Patton wrote:Ever notice it's about the same 10 talking SMU hoops all the time?

Shouldn't that tell us something?

Yeah, General, I'll admit that I have a problem...I just can't stop following the basketball program. It's probably bad for my health, with as little as they win and how much they make my blood boil. Oh well. I'm sure you feel the same way.

I'm not a big Lutz fan, but under these
circumstances I'd be ok with it.
I'd have to seriously look at Geary too
for an interim. Geary has the cred
players respect. Dude was a very good player@
Zona & has been working a lot with Dia this
season.

papawasamustang wrote:I'm not a big Lutz fan, but under these
circumstances I'd be ok with it.
I'd have to seriously look at Geary too
for an interim. Geary has the cred
players respect. Dude was a very good player@
Zona & has been working a lot with Dia this
season.

Dia certainly appears to be responding. I watched Clemson pass over other more experienced and theoretically more "qualified" assistants to give Dabo Swinney a chance to coach their football program thru the end of a season...and that worked out pretty well. Sometimes you don't know what you've got w/o giving it a try. Assuming we open conference play with non-competitive losses, it may be time...but there are budget issues to deal with and I'm not in position to stroke the necessary check so my opinion doesn't mean squat.

papawasamustang wrote:I'm not a big Lutz fan, but under these
circumstances I'd be ok with it.
I'd have to seriously look at Geary too
for an interim. Geary has the cred
players respect. Dude was a very good player@
Zona & has been working a lot with Dia this
season.

Geary doesn't have cred w/these players, he was brought in in June. Lutz is the guy that has had the players backs for 3 years, recruited these kids, and been their go between. If he were to work a miracle(which he won't), he knows Texas. Geary has no presence in Texas at all. He's all California/West Coast. That said, I actually like several of the kids Geary has spotted for the staff as prospective recruits, so whatever.

Lastly, I don't think they can buy out Doh. It's not about money, it's about his contract having no outs

i hear you about the no buyout clause, but doesn't that usually just mean it takes a bigger buyout? Doh has a year and a half left on his contract at 500k per it sounds like. If you tell him, look, its just not working out, we are not going to renew your contract. We'll pay you the $750k we owe you for the remainder of the contract, plus a $500k severance or whatever to resign now for the good of the program. Doh would have to take it unless he is independently wealthy. He would be foolish not to take it if offered because he might not find himself in another situation with any leverage.

Hoop Fan wrote:i hear you about the no buyout clause, but doesn't that usually just mean it takes a bigger buyout? Doh has a year and a half left on his contract at 500k per it sounds like. If you tell him, look, its just not working out, we are not going to renew your contract. We'll pay you the $750k we owe you for the remainder of the contract, plus a $500k severance or whatever to resign now for the good of the program. Doh would have to take it unless he is independently wealthy. He would be foolish not to take it if offered because he might not find himself in another situation with any leverage.

Financially speaking, you'd think he'd have to look at it, but this may be his last shot at a head job. If he thought it was going to take 5 years, he may just be stubborn enough to take it 5 years. He's going to land on his feet, so 1.25 mil may be something he think he can recoup in TV etc

If his contract is so iron clad in his favor, why can't we just demote him? Why can't Orsini tell him Lutz or Geary is now in charge? We are more than happy to have you as an assistant, but for now one of the other guys is head coach. No coach would stay around because his ego wouldn't let him.

I realize this is unprecedented, but I'm half serious. What would stop us from doing this?

Unless there is something in his contract that with prohibit it, SMU could just move DOH into some non-basketball position with the University such as fund raising and development. With his ego, he might decide to resign and take a TV gig.

mustangbill67 wrote:Unless there is something in his contract that with prohibit it, SMU could just move DOH into some non-basketball position with the University such as fund raising and development. With his ego, he might decide to resign and take a TV gig.

Great idea. I would also not offer him any money other than the rest of what he is due for this season. This program has really reached bottom.
If the Mob boss doesn't do something soon he may start coming under scrutiny as well. IIRC he has hired 5 coaches. Only one has proven to be successful (JJ) so far. His hiring of Doh and the 'K-mart quality' soccer coaches has been a total failure. If you are a business person and one of your employees is wrong 80% of the time how long do you keep him? TOP 25 in all we do should perhaps include top 25 in ADs as well.

GO PONIES!!!

PonyDoh wrote:

papawasamustang wrote:I'm not a big Lutz fan, but under these
circumstances I'd be ok with it.
I'd have to seriously look at Geary too
for an interim. Geary has the cred
players respect. Dude was a very good player@
Zona & has been working a lot with Dia this
season.

Geary doesn't have cred w/these players, he was brought in in June. Lutz is the guy that has had the players backs for 3 years, recruited these kids, and been their go between. If he were to work a miracle(which he won't), he knows Texas. Geary has no presence in Texas at all. He's all California/West Coast. That said, I actually like several of the kids Geary has spotted for the staff as prospective recruits, so whatever.

Lastly, I don't think they can buy out Doh. It's not about money, it's about his contract having no
outs

Sometimes u gotta step back & realize that Lutz did not
create man. The dude is responsible for many
of the poor recruiting evaluations. A house cleaning
is necessary.
Saying a former standout player @ Arizona, former pro player
doesn't have cred with these kids is very questionable.
Texas ties, we don't need that, right?
Lutz vs Geary, I go Geary. Don't care how long
Lutz has been Dohs boy.

Whatever happens it would be good to see up and comer SMU-ex Gerald Lewis get a shot as an assistant here. He received a graduate degree last year and has been at New Mexico State as an assistant coach for the past two years after coaching college ball for several years in Lousiana. He played BBall in Europe for years and was an All Star there as well. A good guy who deserves a chance here to help advance his coaching career. ( he's not ready for a HC position, so that not what I am proposing)

There are so many quality coaches out there.
You have hit on an excellent asst choice.
Former OU player with local ties, Jeff Webster,
would be another.