So when do we hire a real B-East caliber coach?

by **SMU2007** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:31 pm

How long does it take us to get a real coach in here now that we have some extra money coming our way?

by **hoopmanx** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:45 pm

don't feed the trolls..gotta see how this season plays out

by **NickSMU17** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:47 pm

Hahahahahah pony doh you are in the clear for a bit...

by **hoopmanx** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:49 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:Hahahahahah pony doh you are in the clear for a bit...

lol, I just wanna watch some ball and win some games. Both Doh & Jones can blow me.

by **NickSMU17** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:51 pm

I'll be in over Xmas you gonna watch any games?

by **hoopmanx** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:19 am

still might role down for OSU, but my plate is pretty full over the holidays w/a certain SEC program that's taking on water in hoops. A shame they wear our brand, and worse yet I'm on clean up

by **NickSMU17** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:25 am

Nice....well let me know if you do

by **NickSMU17** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:18 am

Hoopman if you had to put 5 people on list to replace doh, who would they be...assume decent salary, mid to high end big east payday

by **CalallenStang** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:40 am

hoopmanx wrote:still might role down for OSU, but my plate is pretty full over the holidays w/a certain SEC program that's taking on water in hoops. A shame they wear our brand, and worse yet I'm on clean up

South Carolina or Auburn?

by **hoopmanx** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:57 am

CoxMustangFan wrote:
hoopmanx wrote:don't feed the trolls..gotta see how this season plays out

It's actually an interesting question. We don't need to recycle conversations, but I was wondering the same thing the other day. Doh may be able to do so-so with the talent he's assembled, but SMU needs and deserves better than so-so. Also, I worry about SMU's ability to recruit next year with the gnats of death buzzing around Doh. It sounds like SMU doesn't want to start spending BE money until the checks hit the bank. I think this is a HUGE mistake. They need a running start (IMO).

Here's the thing, CMF, the SEC program that's dying on a vine, has a head coach that was one of the most coveted in the land, just a few years ago. When we were talking about ditching Doh two years ago, there was a certain groundswell behind a current mid-major coach, that was very successful at UT as an assistant & recruiter. He's since tanked the mid-major program. The finalist opposite Doh some 5 years ago, is now an assistant on the TCU bench. There is no such thing as a 'real B-East caliber coach' as the OP states in the subject. It's all about career arc & right place, right time.

I have no issue kicking Doh to the curb, should he suck this year. That said, there are no guarantees w/another hire either. As for 'gnats of death buzzing around Doh,' it's been that way for 3 years, and the classes keep getting better. All of the last 4 years, we haven't even had a full compliment of assistants heading into the open period, and things are still trending up on the trail. It sorta defies explanation actually.

by **hoopmanx** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:01 pm

CalallenStang wrote:
hoopmanx wrote:still might role down for OSU, but my plate is pretty full over the holidays w/a certain SEC program that's taking on water in hoops. A shame they wear our brand, and worse yet I'm on clean up

South Carolina or Auburn?

USC. Total nightmare

by **shadowman** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:15 pm

I would argue that Doherty is a BCS caliber coach.

High profile name, coach at UNC where he recruited great talent that won a championship, AP coach of the year at Notre Dame.

Sure he has yet to produce here, but I think he is still the right man for the job. He gives his all in supporting SMU and the program. One thing I love is how when he first comes on the floor, he talks with the fans, all the big donors, the ball boys... He really promotes the program..unlike a football coach whose name I will not speak.

He needs to start producing, but the big east move should give a big recruiting bump, Lets give him more time to make it work.

by **hoopmanx** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:22 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:Hoopman if you had to put 5 people on list to replace doh, who would they be...assume decent salary, mid to high end big east payday

Greg Marshall
Shaka Smart
Tommy Amaker
Chris Mooney
Ben Jacobsen
Archie Miller
Brooks Thompson

Not a single sure thing in that bunch of 7. Closest to a home run is Marshall, who is a maniac & very probably nuts.

Some would say Fran Fraschilla should get an interview, cause he'd jump over Moody to get the job. Unfortunately, he's crazier than Marshall & Doh combined. He's rehabbed his rep on ESPN quite a bit, but crazy is crazy

by **hoopmanx** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:28 pm

CoxMustangFan wrote:
shadowman wrote:I would argue that Doherty is a BCS caliber coach.

High profile name, coach at UNC where he recruited great talent that won a championship, AP coach of the year at Notre Dame.

Sure he has yet to produce here, but I think he is still the right man for the job. He gives his all in supporting SMU and the program. One thing I love is how when he first comes on the floor, he talks with the fans, all the big donors, the ball boys... He really promotes the program..unlike a football coach whose name I will not speak.

He needs to start producing, but the big east move should give a big recruiting bump, Lets give him more time to make it work.

He's a great recruiter. He's never demonstrated anything more. Sorry, an NIT at Notre Dame doesn't get my heart racing. I'm not saying he can't do it, but I'm concerned SMU isn't viewing the switch to the Princeton as a "sunk cost". The circumstances have changed and there's no sense throwing good money after bad (just my highly uninformed opinion).

can you explain the switch to the princeton being a sunk cost? Me confused

by **hoopmanx** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:36 pm

CoxMustangFan wrote:
hoopmanx wrote:
NickSMU17 wrote:Hoopman if you had to put 5 people on list to replace doh, who would they be...assume decent salary, mid to high end big east payday

Greg Marshall
Shaka Smart
Tommy Amaker
Chris Mooney
Ben Jacobsen
Archie Miller
Brooks Thompson

Hoop, I'm going to give you your laugh of the day. It would take major mojo to pull it off, but I would go all in to get Stevens. The guy knows how to win at a small school.

It would be a coup, but we can't get him. Mooney & Smart have turned down better jobs in the past too. Also, lets see what Stevens does when he doesn't luck into 2 NBA players in a two year span. I had the wonderful experience of dining w/him this past summer, after a Peach Jam session, and he's a fantastic person. I'd love to get him.