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If Doherty goes, do the 2012 recruits have an out?

they are signed but could ask for a release. I tend to think all 3 would wait to see who the new coach is first

hoopmanx wrote:they are signed but could ask for a release. I tend to think all 3 would wait to see who the new coach is first

In situations where a coach is fired, is it customary in BB to release the signee? Since most coaching changes won't happen until after the season, I doubt there are many good 2012 recruits completely unsigned.

Generally speaking, if a kid wants out b/c of a coaching change, you let them out. Some will refuse to release them until a new coach has the chance to sit them down, but that's not the greatest form. You are correct, should these kids go elsewhere, we're in real trouble to replace them at this late stage. We'd essentially miss a '12 class. OTOH, if Doh stays, we're going to lose half our '11 class.

That's why you have to fire Doh and have a replacement lined up right away, so that he can re-recruit '12. If that happens we could conceivably keep '12 and much of '11. That's really our best chance at salvaging both classes.

The problem is: it doesn't matter when you pull the trigger. If you wait a year, then you could lose the '12 and '13 class. If you wait 2 years, then you lose the '13 and '14 class, and so on and so on.

It is obvious Doh can't coach.

You pull the trigger, take your lumps and bring in a coach who can coach.

DiamondM75 wrote:The problem is: it doesn't matter when you pull the trigger. If you wait a year, then you could lose the '12 and '13 class. If you wait 2 years, then you lose the '13 and '14 class, and so on and so on.

It is obvious Doh can't coach.

You pull the trigger, take your lumps and bring in a coach who can coach.

The one upside is that the recruits had to know that Doherty was likely to get fired. They certainly couldn't have expected to see him last 4 years.

I suspect keeping the assistants when Doherty goes is going to be key to keeping them.

Digetydog wrote:

DiamondM75 wrote:The problem is: it doesn't matter when you pull the trigger. If you wait a year, then you could lose the '12 and '13 class. If you wait 2 years, then you lose the '13 and '14 class, and so on and so on.

It is obvious Doh can't coach.

You pull the trigger, take your lumps and bring in a coach who can coach.

The one upside is that the recruits had to know that Doherty was likely to get fired. They certainly couldn't have expected to see him last 4 years.

I suspect keeping the assistants when Doherty goes is going to be key to keeping them.

Umm, there are still recruits in '12 who have no idea he's gonna get axed. Recruits listen to pitches and length of contract, not much else

hoopmanx wrote:

Digetydog wrote:

DiamondM75 wrote:The problem is: it doesn't matter when you pull the trigger. If you wait a year, then you could lose the '12 and '13 class. If you wait 2 years, then you lose the '13 and '14 class, and so on and so on.

It is obvious Doh can't coach.

You pull the trigger, take your lumps and bring in a coach who can coach.

The one upside is that the recruits had to know that Doherty was likely to get fired. They certainly couldn't have expected to see him last 4 years.

I suspect keeping the assistants when Doherty goes is going to be key to keeping them.

Umm, there are still recruits in '12 who have no idea he's gonna get axed. Recruits listen to pitches and length of contract, not much else

Really, you would think their advisors/parents might want to look into that.

I would assume that if MD gets replaced, his assistants will go, too. I still want to see some miraculous run, if only because I hate to see anyone (especially at SMU) lose a job, but considering that firing seems far more likely ... the one guy I would hope above all keeps his job is Gerald Lewis. He was a great player for us back in the day, and although I have never met him, I hear he's a really good guy who absolutely loves SMU. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'd like to see him survive -- preferably as an assistant coach.

SMUguy wrote:I would assume that if MD gets replaced, his assistants will go, too. I still want to see some miraculous run, if only because I hate to see anyone (especially at SMU) lose a job, but considering that firing seems far more likely ... the one guy I would hope above all keeps his job is Gerald Lewis. He was a great player for us back in the day, and although I have never met him, I hear he's a really good guy who absolutely loves SMU. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'd like to see him survive -- preferably as an assistant coach.

SMU ties aside, if anyone stays it has to be Hobbie. this is the Big East, and he's wired in NYC & Jersey. Quite frankly, Lewis is a good guy, but brings nothing to the bench. If he stays, has to be as ops guy.

hoopmanx wrote:

SMUguy wrote:I would assume that if MD gets replaced, his assistants will go, too. I still want to see some miraculous run, if only because I hate to see anyone (especially at SMU) lose a job, but considering that firing seems far more likely ... the one guy I would hope above all keeps his job is Gerald Lewis. He was a great player for us back in the day, and although I have never met him, I hear he's a really good guy who absolutely loves SMU. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'd like to see him survive -- preferably as an assistant coach.

SMU ties aside, if anyone stays it has to be Hobbie. this is the Big East, and he's wired in NYC & Jersey. Quite frankly, Lewis is a good guy, but brings nothing to the bench. If he stays, has to be as ops guy.

Gerald is our OPS guy anyway. It might be a good extension for SMU marketing. Heck, he's the last connection with our program and the NCAA tournament -- back when rocks were new.

Mitch McConnell wrote:

hoopmanx wrote:

SMUguy wrote:I would assume that if MD gets replaced, his assistants will go, too. I still want to see some miraculous run, if only because I hate to see anyone (especially at SMU) lose a job, but considering that firing seems far more likely ... the one guy I would hope above all keeps his job is Gerald Lewis. He was a great player for us back in the day, and although I have never met him, I hear he's a really good guy who absolutely loves SMU. I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'd like to see him survive -- preferably as an assistant coach.

SMU ties aside, if anyone stays it has to be Hobbie. this is the Big East, and he's wired in NYC & Jersey. Quite frankly, Lewis is a good guy, but brings nothing to the bench. If he stays, has to be as ops guy.

Gerald is our OPS guy anyway. It might be a good extension for SMU marketing. Heck, he's the last connection with our program and the NCAA tournament -- back when rocks were new.

That's all great, but he was hired as good will gesture. Hire the best available, alum or not.