Tie Breaker

[Zman89]

If UConn, Memphis, and SMU all end up 12-6 I think the tie breaker goes to the ponies.

[Grant Carter]

If UConn, Memphis, and SMU all end up 12-6 I think the tie breaker goes to the ponies.

Correct.

[mustangbill67]

I looked up the tie break rules where 3 teams are tied. The first tie break is to look at all three teams as a mini conference and see how they did against each other. In this case, we win the 3rd seed. Currently we are 1-0 against Memphis and 2-0 against UCONN. Memphis is currently 0-3 and UCONN is 2-2. So even if we lose to Memphis the worse we could be is 3-1 and the 3rd seed. Of course, if we lose and UCONN wins at Louisville, UCONN becomes the 3rd seed as it will have a better overall conference record.

[ojaipony]

I looked up the tie break rules where 3 teams are tied. The first tie break is to look at all three teams as a mini conference and see how they did against each other. In this case, we win the 3rd seed. Currently we are 1-0 against Memphis and 2-0 against UCONN. Memphis is currently 0-3 and UCONN is 2-2. So even if we lose to Memphis the worse we could be is 3-1 and the 3rd seed. Of course, if we lose and UCONN wins at Louisville, UCONN becomes the 3rd seed as it will have a better overall conference record.

Then why is ESPN showing us as 4th currently? I like our chances much better at the 3 seed. Take care of bizness against Memphis and we're there. If not, we need some help from Loserville.

[Grant Carter]

I looked up the tie break rules where 3 teams are tied. The first tie break is to look at all three teams as a mini conference and see how they did against each other. In this case, we win the 3rd seed. Currently we are 1-0 against Memphis and 2-0 against UCONN. Memphis is currently 0-3 and UCONN is 2-2. So even if we lose to Memphis the worse we could be is 3-1 and the 3rd seed. Of course, if we lose and UCONN wins at Louisville, UCONN becomes the 3rd seed as it will have a better overall conference record.

Then why is ESPN showing us as 4th currently? I like our chances much better at the 3 seed. Take care of bizness against Memphis and we're there. If not, we need some help from Loserville.

I doubt anyone from ESPN reads ponyfans so you might want to direct your question directly to ESPN if you want them to explain why they have not incorporated the tie breakers correctly.
My guess is that they order the teams by conference record and then by overall record. They might be using ranking though. Every conference has different tie breaker rules and I seriously doubt ESPN even attempts to program them into their standings output logic.

[SmooPower]

My guess is that they order the teams by conference record and then by overall record.

Looks like that is what they are doing.

[ojaipony]

I looked up the tie break rules where 3 teams are tied. The first tie break is to look at all three teams as a mini conference and see how they did against each other. In this case, we win the 3rd seed. Currently we are 1-0 against Memphis and 2-0 against UCONN. Memphis is currently 0-3 and UCONN is 2-2. So even if we lose to Memphis the worse we could be is 3-1 and the 3rd seed. Of course, if we lose and UCONN wins at Louisville, UCONN becomes the 3rd seed as it will have a better overall conference record.

Then why is ESPN showing us as 4th currently? I like our chances much better at the 3 seed. Take care of bizness against Memphis and we're there. If not, we need some help from Loserville.

I doubt anyone from ESPN reads ponyfans so you might want to direct your question directly to ESPN if you want them to explain why they have not incorporated the tie breakers correctly.
My guess is that they order the teams by conference record and then by overall record. They might be using ranking though. Every conference has different tie breaker rules and I seriously doubt ESPN even attempts to program them into their standings output logic.

I was simply questioning if mustangbill was correct. I trust smoopower. But thanks for being a [deleted] about it.

[Grant Carter]

You are welcome.

[SmooPower]

So it looks like this:

- UCONN loses or SMU wins: SMU gets #3 seed regardless, plays #6 Houston.
- UCONN wins and SMU loses: SMU gets #4/5 seed, plays #4/5 Memphis.

Or did I screw something up there?

[Grant Carter]

So it looks like this:

- UCONN loses: SMU gets #3 seed regardless, plays #6 Houston.
- UCONN wins, SMU loses: SMU gets #4/5 seed, plays #4/5 Memphis.

Or did I screw something up there?

That is correct, except we would definitely be the 4 in the latter scenario (not that it matters). We swept Houston and Memphis split with them so we would have the tie breaker.

[mrydel]

So it looks like this:

- UCONN loses: SMU gets #3 seed regardless, plays #6 Houston.
- UCONN wins, SMU loses: SMU gets #4/5 seed, plays #4/5 Memphis.

Or did I screw something up there?

I think your first sentence would be UConn loses OR SMU wins.

[SmooPower]

So it looks like this:

- UCONN loses: SMU gets #3 seed regardless, plays #6 Houston.
- UCONN wins, SMU loses: SMU gets #4/5 seed, plays #4/5 Memphis.

Or did I screw something up there?

I think your first sentence would be UConn loses OR SMU wins.

Good catch.

[ojaipony]

I thought if we get the 3 seed, we'd avoid playing Houston. I guess I'm still going off the ESPN list.

[DanFreibergerForHeisman]

I thought if we get the 3 seed, we'd avoid playing Houston. I guess I'm still going off the ESPN list.

Houston has the 6 seed locked up - and they are playing like it tonight.

[ojaipony]

So the game is pretty meaningless tomorrow in terms of conference seeding? And, since we're already in the NCAA tourney, it doesn't really affect that seeding either? Seems like how we do in the AAC tourney matters much much more for the tourney seeding. Of course, we want to win all of them.