Tourney Dreams = Letdown part 2

by **Guest** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:50 pm

Gents,

As much as I respect your criticisms, and as much as I appreciate the insults, you must understand that my statements will be proven true within a few short weeks.

I understand your desire to avoid the truth. I understand your youthful desire to be swayed by what is possible rather than understanding what is more than probable.

I am forced to comment on some of the responses to my post. First, the "Charleston Pony" has reminded us all of the "alterntive" to knowing the Ponies will not make the tourney. While I respect CP's enthusiasm for Mustang Hoops, he must understand the inevitability of unfulfilled dreams.

Yes, sports is an excellent metaphor for life. And in that respect, we are all loathe to approach our coveted metaphors with the kind of ill-repute that I offer.

However, you have to understand the process of filtering the metaphors which you choose to embrace. While I don't intend to act as some kind of watch-dog for disappointing metaphors, there comes a time when you have to realize the saliency of the tale of Sisyphus as it relates to SMU Hoops.

For years, Mustang fans have been reciting the same "our win in the WAC tourney last year suggests we can go all the way this year" anthem. I'm here to remind you - the "moral victory" of advancing past the opening round of the WAC tourney will do absolutely nothing for the program and is not indicative of future success.

There comes a time when Pony fans have to recognize that a DRASTIC change in the support of Mustang Hoops is needed. In my opinion, a little tough love is in order. That is why I have instituted an all-out campaign of defamation.

The ponies need it. They need to be shunned. They need to be reminded of their predescesors' complete inability to win a big game when it counts.

For it is only when the Ponies understand their history that they are capable of overcoming it. It is only when they are challenged that they will respond.

Second, I must address the comments of the venerable PX. It appears that only PX possesses the ability to engage in the kind of objective analysis that the current Pony hoops quagmire requires. As such, the guy should be given his proper respect; his questions should be answered (despite his hesitancy to actually request those answers).

Mike Dement is a legend in the making simply because of his ability to run a class program at an institution that is historically ambivalent toward its hoops program.

Think about it - the pedigree is there. The man coached under Mike Krychseski for god's sake. In addition, the guy has prepared his players for their ascent to higher levels of play - Sasser in the NBA, and I understand that Willie Davis (a legend omitted in my last posting), Jay Poerneer and Bobby Dimson are all still toiling away in leagues foreign and domestic.

While the argument can be made that this kind of talent should have been guided to the NCAAs by Dement, I offer this in rebuttal: the one restraint on the program is the fan's policy of apathy followed by minor excitement.

This policy has a patronizing effect that breeds the kind of near misses that plague the program.

The solution is clear - Pony fans must give some tough love to the squad. If you really care about Mustang Hoops, you will voice your spite for the team's inability to win the big game.

Finally, I think it's important that all Mustang fans (whether they initially disagree with me or not) need to think critically about my comments. While it's obvious that some (given their responses to my last posting) are simply incapable of engaging in critical thought, I think it's time that those capable band together to lead the Stangs to victory.

I'm out

by **Stallion** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:01 pm

....God you sound like a lawyer of something but could you break that down a little further---Who do we shoot first?

by PK » Thu Mar 06, 2003 5:36 pm

Speaking of lawyers...would this be a case of the kettle calling the pot black???

by **Pony_Fan** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 6:05 pm

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1.There comes a time when Pony fans have to recognize that a DRASTIC change in the support of Mustang Hoops is needed. In my opinion, a little tough love is in order. That is why I have instituted an all-out campaign of defamation.

2.Mike Dement is a legend in the making simply because of his ability to run a class program at an institution that is historically ambivalent toward its hoops program.

3.Think about it - the pedigree is there. The man coached under Mike Krychseski for god's sake. In addition, the guy has prepared his players for their ascent to higher levels of play - Sasser in the NBA, and I understand that Willie Davis (a legend omitted in my last posting), Jay Poerneer and Bobby Dimson are all still toiling away in leagues foreign and domestic.

4.The solution is clear - Pony fans must give some tough love to the squad. If you really care about Mustang Hoops, you will voice your spite for the team's inability to win the big game.

5. For years, Mustang fans have been reciting the same "our win in the WAC tourney last year suggests we can go all the way this year" anthem.

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what kind of jibberish is this?

1. Drastic change = better admission policies along with a better coach.

2. Dement is by no means a "legend" in any right. Compliment him on getting kids through school, but you can't compliment him on coaching.

3. Pedigree? Sasser made it on his own ...Dement had nothing to do with it except let him do whatever he wanted to on the court.

4.Tough Love?? How about support and maybe they can overachieve for once in the last 7 years.

5. We haven't won a WAC tourney game since '98'99.

[This message has been edited by Pony_Fan (edited 03-06-2003).]

by **Guest** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 6:41 pm

Pony_Fan makes some good points. I'll address each of his criticisms.

1. and 2. The need for drastic change and Dement's legendary status are intertwined. First, PF has to let go of his animosity for MD. Accept the fact that the guy is a legendary leader.

Second, you have to understand that Dement's leadership style is hampered by the apathy/moderate excitement policy of Mustang fans. Dement utilizes tough love in motivating his players. However, the players receive conflicting messages from SMU fans when so called "support" is offered for the team.

The success of my policy demands full participation from the loyal SMU fans. For it is only when we completely take away the pride of the team that we can build them into winners.

The goal is to instill an "us against the world mentality" in the players. It's imperative that the Mustang Hoops community get on board with this outlook.

3. I'm confused by PF's use of pedigree. In my original posting, I was referring to the pedigree of Dement, not Sasser. PF's response shows he clearly misread what was extremely clear language. In light of this, I question PF's ability comprehend my position. However, he does make some cogent points, so I will continue.

4. My tough love policy is in response to the absolute failure of the fans to produce "overachievement" since 92-93 with this campaign of "support." It is fundamental to the success of the program that the fans actively castigate players when they make mistakes and offer only moderate acknowledgement of good plays.

But, the key factor is vigilance to the actions of the squad.

5. PF correctly acknowledges the Ponies lack of WAC tourney Ws in the last three years. However, first round WAC tourney Ws were posted in both 97-98 and 98-99, causing a bit of excitement on the Hilltop. And we all know where this exceitement took us.

Finally, it appears that a portion of PF's comments have been censored by the webmaster. In light of this, it's obvious that PF cannot discuss hoops on my level. One can only imagine the vulgarities PF would have to resort to just to express his anger over his inferiority.

I'm out

by **abezontar** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:11 pm

What makes one legendary, and how does one obtain legendary status?

by **joey bag of donuts** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:24 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by abezontar:
What makes one legendary, and how does one obtain legendary status?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Legendary status can be obtained many ways. John Wooden achieved it with coaching excellence, as well as Jim Phelan. Phelan didn't have as many championships, but he did lead his players to become men. There are other ways to become a legend, some hereditary, i.e. John Holmes or Ron Jeremy. I know you can't relate, but I thought I would throw that in there.

by **Pony_Fan** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 7:26 pm

Yes, please define "legendary" for us..I am anxiously awaiting your response.

Sir, you have no "level on hoops" and much of what you say is a lot of crap.

by PK » Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:02 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jonathancorey500:

Finally, it appears that a portion of PF's comments have been censored by the webmaster.
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Just for the sake of accuracy, Pony_Fan was the one who edited his own post...not the webmasters...there was no censoring.

by **Guest** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:00 pm

Gents,

Because my time is extremely valuable, I will be brief in my comments.

First, PK is right again. The comments of Pony Fan were edited by Pony Fan, and not the webmaster. As all great men admit when they are wrong, I too admit that I errored by making that final jibe. Apologies are in order.

Second, legendary status and the attainment of it is difficult to define. The term leaves much room for debate. I agree with Joey bag of donuts that legendary status can be achieved for positive achievements as well as general notoriousness. I submit that Dement has achieved legendary status because of his efforts on both fronts.

First, it goes without saying that the guy is an AMAZING basketball coach. MD and I have conversed on many occasions, and his intuitive basketball mind and knowledge of leadership qualities (as well as the ability to convey those qualities) is unparalelled. Please refer to previous postings for further information about Dement's coaching pedigree.

Second, Dement's legendary status is aided by his unique "cro-magnon" like forehead. Let's face it, the guy could be the college basketball equivalent of KeyRock - the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer from SNL fame. And when you witness such an archaic looking man going ballistic on the sidelines - there is not a single referee in this fair nation of ours that is innoculated from intimidation.

Let's go down the list of college hoops coaches aided by a unique look.
1. Gene Kaidy (sp?) of Purdue (the combover)
2. Jimmy Boeheim of Syracuse (sweaters)
3. Tarkanian's towel
4. John Chaney (Temple) - who looks like a black ewok

The list goes on and on.

The bottom line is that once the "tough love" fan policy is in place, and the wins start accumulating, Dement's dual basis for legendary status will serve to cement the legitimacy of the program on into the twilight of his career.

I've got to be honest. I think it's time that we start discussing a "lifetime contract" with MD. Let's not beat around the bush. The guy is here to take us to the promised land.

Finally, let me address one area in which Pony Fan was actually 100% correct:

PF addressed me as "Sir" in his last posting. That is the kind of respect that is commensurate with our relative hoop knowledge. I am the venerable one.

PF, if you continue to show respect and a willingness learn, you will be a better man.

I'm out

by **abezontar** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 12:22 pm

No offense, but without knowing anything about you Jonathancorey500, and considering your location......just because you say something is true, doesn't make it so, and until you can provide some sort of evidence beyond MD's "coaching pedigree" I am going to be very reluctant to read your posts with any kind of seriousness.

by **NCPony** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 1:46 pm

As JC500 stated Dement coached under Krzyzewski, this will give some insight to Coack K's coaching style as written from a Dookie (unbiased?) in the Dook paper.

<A HREF="http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/03/06/3e674ca8ebb35" TARGET=_blank>www.chronicle.duke.edu/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/03/06/3e674ca8ebb35</A>

Just because Dement coached under someone doesn't make him good. Coach Brickey played for Coach K so between the two of them (MD & RB), they ought to be able to "coach up" our players pretty well. Is that happening?

Maybe Dement needs to take a cue from Coach K and rail his own fans. That would probably be the last nail in his own coffin.

[This message has been edited by NCPony (edited 03-07-2003).]

by **Pony_Fan** » Fri Mar 07, 2003 2:35 pm

I think it's best to ignore this newbie

by **Toyz33** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 7:40 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pony_Fan:
I think it's best to ignore this newbie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JC500, I'm new to the board, but I am impressed by your bravado and the overwhelming assault of logic which you unleashed upon Pony Fan. Looks like you won this one. PF, don't tell me this is the way you let this end. I hope not.

by **Pony_Fan** » Sat Mar 08, 2003 7:44 pm

That IS what I am going to do considering all of these posts are from newbies....most likely from the same nimrod. I have been on this board for quite a while. CPC, Hoops Fan, CPony, LA_Mustang, Mullet and others provide good posts unlike these...I choose not to get involved in posts that aren't worth my time.

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