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ULL football just got the verdict handed down by the NCAA for their academic fraud investigation where an assistant coach (not a secretary) arranged fraudulent ACT scores for 5 players and all they got was 2 years probation, vacated wins, 11 scholarships over 3 years (which is nothing, really), and a reduction in official visits allowed for one year. No postseason ban at all.

Compared to what we got for one case of academic fraud (that ended up being unnecessary), this is barely even a slap on the wrist for 5 cases of fraudulent ACT scores.

Wtf?

Under old rules

smupony94 wrote:Under old rules

The NCAA's long and well documented history of uneven and selective enforcement makes that argument hold absolutely no water with me. They'll probably use that same excuse when they let UNC skate for 20+ years of institutionally approved and condoned academic fraud.

RebStang wrote:

smupony94 wrote:Under old rules

The NCAA's long and well documented history of uneven and selective enforcement makes that argument hold absolutely no water with me. They'll probably use that same excuse when they let UNC skate for 20+ years of institutionally approved and condoned academic fraud.

you're going to be pretty disappointed to learn that UNC sanctions WILL be applied under the old rules, not the new.

also, was ULL already on probation at the time? SMU was on double secret probation dating back to Doh and some text messages, which was a probation violation dating back to the hamburger incident.

Strange that ULL case is supposedly under the old rules, but their punishment is delivered well after ours. Didn't we also get extra punishment because of the golf violations and dohertys texts? I mean it makes a lot of sense to pile on and hammer our bball program cuz the golf coach gave away some hats to rich kids.

Why has UNC not been given punishment?

When you control the narrative (old rules, new rules, academic vs. athletic conflict, etc.) you are never wrong. That is how corruption is handled.

It does seem like we were on a rocket docket

MFFL02 wrote:Why has UNC not been given punishment?

They need to win one last National Championship before they get their reduced scholarships and ban from playing in the Maui Invitational for the next two years.

The whole debacle is a joke

MFFL02 wrote:Why has UNC not been given punishment?

NCAA investigation is still ongoing. It's a 15 year violation, thus the investigation will take longer than a one-off finding of a school on probation.

Things to keep in mind on UNC:
-violations under investigation (vast majority of which, if not all) took place during preceding rules system; therefore, expect old system to apply.
-early reports show that NO NCAAM student-athlete received preferential treatment; although, NCAAW, NCAAF and other student athletes were linked to preferential treatment. This likely means institutional control without a specific focus on the basketball program (i.e. no head coach suspension, no vacated wins, no scholarships or recruiting restrictions, and possibly no post-season ban in men's basketball).

2ndandlong wrote:

MFFL02 wrote:Why has UNC not been given punishment?

NCAA investigation is still ongoing. It's a 15 year violation, thus the investigation will take longer than a one-off finding of a school on probation.

Things to keep in mind on UNC:
-violations under investigation (vast majority of which, if not all) took place during preceding rules system; therefore, expect old system to apply.
-early reports show that NO NCAAM student-athlete received preferential treatment; although, NCAAW, NCAAF and other student athletes were linked to preferential treatment. This likely means institutional control without a specific focus on the basketball program (i.e. no head coach suspension, no vacated wins, no scholarships or recruiting restrictions, and possibly no post-season ban in men's basketball).

You're probably right but it will absolutely destroy any remaining credibility the NCAA has when they let them off without so much as a slap on the wrist.

What UNC did is far worse than a secretary taking an online class or an assistant scamming the ACT to get kids eligible - it's was an institutionally sanctioned academic fraud ring run by faculty and staff of the university. They should get far, far worse than SMU or ULL but probably won't get even as much and it has nothing to do with "old rules" or "new rules" and everything to do with the fact that they're UNC.

I get that fair is never going to be agreed upon here. I know that [fairness] is what the NCAA is trying to accomplish with the new penalty system, but it's going to be exposed over and over, especially now while we are in the transition between old and new.

What UNC did is far worse. Undoubtedly. I think the UNC penalty will be tremendous and far reaching, but I think the report will focus on other sports; thereby, the penalties will be focused on those other sports. Report findings will acknowledge little-to-no wrongdoing in basketball and the penalties will follow suit . . . largely because that works out best for the NCAA two-fold.

And guess what . . . Louisville's attorneys are doing a great job arguing the type of penalty. Get ready to get butt-hurt all over again when its deemed that no improper benefits occurred, and the only penalty is an impermissible host or possibly an impermissible recruiting aid.

Impermissible host and impermissible recruiting aids are Level III violations. (We received multiple Level I violations; although, some of those are being appealed.)

Level III violations carry next to no realistic penalty unless they are combined to be a Level II based on multiple Level III's. Stand-alone Level III violations do not even qualify for head coach suspension. Expect probation at best in my opinion.

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