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Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how did

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:28 pm
by El_Mustang
Dallas News story from Cowlishaw about the final four teams and SMU being left out.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/smumustangs/2016/03/29/cowlishaw-final-four-ethically-suspect-smu-find-outside

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:41 pm
by ponyboy
Cowlishaw is ignorant about so many facts and has again partially done his homework. And not just in this piece. It is good to be thought of as a potential final four though, even if by implication.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:02 pm
by PonyKai
Agree

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:41 pm
by ponyboy
Larry Brown is a serial offender?

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:52 pm
by PonyKai
Disagree.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:08 pm
by sadderbudweiser

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:14 pm
by mtrout
Haha poor unc. Yeah they're really suffering... so much that they can't land a #1 signing class.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:21 pm
by ponyboy
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:He is a serial offender. He has been punished by the NCAA three times at three different schools. Now, the circumstances surrounding each incident are--as we have discussed here--very, very tame if even Larry's fault at all, but in the eyes of the NCAA, he's three-for-three. Bilas really is one of the few, if only, individuals in and around the sport to bother doing any semblance of due diligence on the issue. Plus, that paragraph reads like it was written from the NCAA's perspective. And, as the NCAA's decision stated, they hammered us in part b/c Larry is 3 for 3, and--I guess in some alternate universe this makes sense--because 35 years ago we cheated at football and the school is still named SMU.


And I'm a serial rapist because I looked in the general direction of a woman a couple of times. Man, words have meaning and impact. Larry Brown is not a serial offender and you said as much above. And Tim Cowlishaw either does know it or should. Or he's selling us upstream to make a story more interesting.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:42 pm
by PonyKai
Hyperbole alert.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:21 pm
by mustangxc
The fair thing would be to give their entire athletic department the death penalty.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:26 pm
by PK
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:He is a serial offender. He has been punished by the NCAA three times at three different schools. Now, the circumstances surrounding each incident are--as we have discussed here--very, very tame if even Larry's fault at all, but in the eyes of the NCAA, he's three-for-three. Bilas really is one of the few, if only, individuals in and around the sport to bother doing any semblance of due diligence on the issue. Plus, that paragraph reads like it was written from the NCAA's perspective. And, as the NCAA's decision stated, they hammered us in part b/c Larry is 3 for 3, and--I guess in some alternate universe this makes sense--because 35 years ago we cheated at football and the school is still named SMU.

More like a serial victim of the NCAA if you ask me...and I know you didn't ask. :roll:

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:50 pm
by Grant Carter
ponyboy wrote:
Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:He is a serial offender. He has been punished by the NCAA three times at three different schools. Now, the circumstances surrounding each incident are--as we have discussed here--very, very tame if even Larry's fault at all, but in the eyes of the NCAA, he's three-for-three. Bilas really is one of the few, if only, individuals in and around the sport to bother doing any semblance of due diligence on the issue. Plus, that paragraph reads like it was written from the NCAA's perspective. And, as the NCAA's decision stated, they hammered us in part b/c Larry is 3 for 3, and--I guess in some alternate universe this makes sense--because 35 years ago we cheated at football and the school is still named SMU.


And I'm a serial rapist because I looked in the general direction of a woman a couple of times. Man, words have meaning and impact. Larry Brown is not a serial offender and you said as much above. And Tim Cowlishaw either does know it or should. Or he's selling us upstream to make a story more interesting.

Unless you were convicted of that crime then your analogy is pretty terrible. Actually, it is a really terrible analogy anyway. You might want to use a different crime as the example the next time.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:55 am
by smusportspage
mtrout wrote:Haha poor unc. Yeah they're really suffering... so much that they can't land a #1 signing class.

Ha no kidding, that plus they are still allowed to play in the post season. Poor UNC. :roll: I have forgotten which radio talk show I heard it on just this week, but they were spinning that it is really not an athletic problem at UNC but an overall university problem as a whole. They were saying that because the fake classes were offered to the general student population and were taken by athletes and non-athletes that it was not a athletic department problem. I think the problem there is that the bogus classes were started from the get go on behalf of the athletic department some twenty years ago.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:13 am
by stc9
smusportspage wrote:
mtrout wrote:Haha poor unc. Yeah they're really suffering... so much that they can't land a #1 signing class.

Ha no kidding, that plus they are still allowed to play in the post season. Poor UNC. :roll: I have forgotten which radio talk show I heard it on just this week, but they were spinning that it is really not an athletic problem at UNC but an overall university problem as a whole. They were saying that because the fake classes were offered to the general student population and were taken by athletes and non-athletes that it was not a athletic department problem. I think the problem there is that the bogus classes were started from the get go on behalf of the athletic department some twenty years ago.

Sadly, even if the NCAA drops the hammer on UNC, they will be let off the hook a year or two later. Pedophile State agreed to their punishment. Two years later the NCAA let them totally off the hook and removed all of the non-monetary punishments.

In all honesty, I don't expect UNC to get anything worse than we received. If you look at the original charge sheet from the NCAA it mentions other sports besides men's hoops and football. They will be the scape goats. The men will end up vacating some wins (the dumbest penalty in history), but nothing will come of this.

Re: Cowlishaw: With a Final Four this ethically suspect, how

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:28 pm
by stangsup4
Emmert is such an idiot. I hate that guy.

Brad Wolverton @bradwolverton
Emmert: Syracuse players had “nothing to do with those [academic fraud] sanctions and they should be allowed to play.”