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Re: Women's Soccer Edged By Rice 2-1 In OT

Postby Dubbya » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:46 am

redpony wrote:Too bad about the injuries. However, good coaches find a way to win with the talent available. You can't base your team's success on just one or two players. Let's try to win CUSA and then more.

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I'm not going to get into name-calling, but you can't believe it's just that easy — lose some key players and roll out others who should be expected to perform at the same level. Even if you modify the references made here to star players on other teams — not one of our injured players dominates her games like Kobe Bryant, Alexander Ovechkin or Landon Donovan — the idea that teams can just keep going while losing that many players is idiotic. June Jones said as much the other night after the game against TCU, when he said something about how our starters did a good job, but when players got banged up or simply tired, our reserves aren't as talented as TCU's. Same thing applies here — take out starters, and it makes sense that the backups aren't as effective, or they would be starters.

We can acknowledge that the injured players here aren't stars — although Mallory Baum is really good, and Redmon and Bartol are on their way — but put it into terms of another team. For familiarity's sake, try the Dallas Cowboys. Forget Jason Witten, DeMarcus Ware, Miles Austin, Jay Ratliff, etc. But let's say the Cowboys suddenly lose Andre Gurode, Bradie James, Gerald Sensabaugh and Martellus Bennett — all good players, but none viewed as game-changing superstars, right? Well, their backups suck. You take Gurode out, and Tony Romo might get killed and there will be little inside running room. Bradie James would be replaced by who, Jason Williams? Yikes. Same with Sensabaugh and Bennett (and I don't even like Bennett's game much) — their backups are awful. The Cowboys still would have their star players, but without the supporting players around them, other teams can gang up more on the stars.

I used to believe you when you said you had no personal vendetta against Coach Erwin and Coach McClements, but to suggest that Coach Erwin should be able to just snap his fingers and move on without a change in his team's fortunes is either idiotic or (at best) horrifically misguided. Common logic dictates that coaches play their best players in the starting lineup, or as the first reserves into the game. Losing any of them, by definition, means a team is weaker. That is the case with every coach of every team in every sport.

Just out of curiosity, how many games have you seen this year? Can you offer anything about the strengths or weaknesses of any of the players who are injured here? What about Katie Bass, who missed several games at the start of the season? The Mustangs are a visibly improved team since last year. Try abandoning your anti-Erwin crusade and supporting the team.
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Re: Women's Soccer Edged By Rice 2-1 In OT

Postby redpony » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:26 am

[quote="Dubbya
I used to believe you when you said you had no personal vendetta against Coach Erwin and Coach McClements, but to suggest that Coach Erwin should be able to just snap his fingers and move on without a change in his team's fortunes is either idiotic or (at best) horrifically misguided. Common logic dictates that coaches play their best players in the starting lineup, or as the first reserves into the game. Losing any of them, by definition, means a team is weaker. That is the case with every coach of every team in every sport.[/quote]


I think you misunderstood the intent of my comment. A good coach adjusts his strategy and game plan to fit the personnel he has so that he is in a position to win the game. He finds a way to win.
You made an example of the Cowboys losing players. I will make another example that points out the opposite. JJ lost BLM and DJ last year as well as missing SM for several games and having other players injured to the point they could hardly play and did not practice during the week. He however, found a way to win games for us. Obviously, he is a very successful and experienced coach who knows how to adjust his schemes to fit the talent.
As stated before, I have no vendetta against any of our coaches. I just will not accept previously successful programs falling to the bottom without any changes being made ot correct the situation.

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Re: Women's Soccer Edged By Rice 2-1 In OT

Postby go4it » Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:37 pm

Since both coaches arrived they’ve had to recruit new talented players and make adjustments to their rosters because of injuries and performance. I'll buy into your example with JJ and his ability to make the right decisions as injuries occur to players. Using the results of the football team as the yard stick for the coach of the women’s soccer team seems reasonable. JJ’s record in 2008 was 1-11, 8-5 in 2009, and 3-2 so far this year. His record at SMU at this point is 12-18. Based on your approval of the JJ's record are you saying that if BE’s record is close to that would you would approve of his performance?
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Re: Women's Soccer Edged By Rice 2-1 In OT

Postby RealSMUfan » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:03 pm

also....in FB most positions are 3-4 people deep. They have like 80 on the roster. So a FB team can lose 2-3 players and its no big deal. If a soccer team (who carries 20-22 on their roster) loses 2-3 players it makes a HUGE deal. The soccer team was playing very well in the preseason, they had obviously had the offense and defense clicking.....then 3 players get hurt (2 season ending) and now in one week they are expected to fill those holes and perform at the same level they were playing prior to the injuries....not likely I don't care how amazing the coach is. Takes some time to get the new players to click with the starting line up. I think the team has rebounded well since opening weekend....2 wins on the road.
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Re: Women's Soccer Edged By Rice 2-1 In OT

Postby August » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:57 pm

RealSMUfan wrote: they had obviously had the offense and defense clicking


Real - nice to see you - thought the new soga deal was going to replace you this year! :D

But no, our offense hasn't gelled. We've scored 16 goals in 13 games - 8 of which were against Davidson, UNT and St Louis. Take those games away and we have scored 8 goals in 10 games. And injuries are only part of the problem. The other issue that keeps hurting us are the girls who leave for reasons we've discussed here ad nauseum. Dylan Jordan has scored 7 goals so far this year for Ole Miss, to name just one of the girls who should still be rostered here.

The players on the bench are now all Brent's players so, while they may not be the caliber of the girls out with injuries, they should be well coached and able to step into the system. Time will tell if that's the case. They did well this weekend, especially with the weather and travel issues. We'll see as the competition gets tougher.

You can keep bringing in talent but that alone won't make us successful.
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Re: Women's Soccer Edged By Rice 2-1 In OT

Postby RealSMUfan » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:50 pm

Dylan was HOMESICK!!!! She didn't fit in well to SMU...not just the team. But she is gone...so let it go. The preseason schedule of SMU wasn't an easy one....they weren't going to score multiple goals against teams like Portland. They could have scheduled Prairie View A&M or HBU if they wanted to inflate the stats. But an easy schedule is not going to prepare them for conference. They did great this weekend...2 wins on the road....2 shutouts....2 PK's stopped by Webb.....Mallory will be back this weekend.....great things to come!
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Re: Women's Soccer Edged By Rice 2-1 In OT

Postby pony717 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:45 pm

We've scored 16 goals in 13 games - 8 of which were against Davidson, UNT and St Louis. Take those games away and we have scored 8 goals in 10 games.


It is true for this team and for any team that if you subtract the highest scoring games, you'll be left with the lowest scoring games. I think the loss of Redman, Bartol, and Baum has cost the team 4 to 5 goals thus far and that's a conservative estimate. The threesome has now missed considerably more games than they played, and they had 3 goals and an assist before their injuries. Their mid-season games would have been more productive than their early season games, so 5-6 could be more realistic. I'm sure the coaches would like to see more goals, but I'd be happy with twenty 1-0 wins.
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