State law vs. NCAA law

by **Mitch McConnell** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:57 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6391276

by **couch 'em** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:34 am

Offensive Notre Dame mascot still unchallenged.

by **One Trick Pony** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:13 am

this is the shortest post I've seen from Mitch lol

by **mrydel** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:22 am

I think they should change their name to the Fighting Sues.

by **RGV Pony** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:46 am

mrydel wrote:I think they should change their name to the Fighting Sues.

brilliant. And go all black w June unis to pay homage to Johnny Cash and assure the NCAA they're not being mocked

by **jtstang** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:54 pm

Can you say "double standard"?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... oved_x.htm

The staff review committee noted the unique relationship between the university and the Seminole Tribe of Florida as a significant factor," NCAA senior vice president Bernard Franklin said in a statement released Tuesday. "The decision of a namesake sovereign tribe, regarding when and how its name and imagery can be used, must be respected even when others may not agree."

by **RGV Pony** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:09 pm

Good find jt...from that article:

But dissent has been voiced within the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, primarily by general council member David Narcomey, but the council has taken no official position on the FSU issue, according to Jennifer McBee, the tribe attorney general. Narcomey, saying he was voicing his opinion only, wrote in an e-mail to USA TODAY of the decision: "I am deeply appalled, incredulously disappointed ... I am nauseated that the NCAA is allowing this 'minstrel show' to carry on this form of racism in the 21st century

by **abezontar** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:55 pm

jtstang wrote:Can you say "double standard"?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... oved_x.htm

The staff review committee noted the unique relationship between the university and the Seminole Tribe of Florida as a significant factor," NCAA senior vice president Bernard Franklin said in a statement released Tuesday. "The decision of a namesake sovereign tribe, regarding when and how its name and imagery can be used, must be respected even when others may not agree."

From the Article:

In a letter to UND President Robert Kelley, Franklin said the university must follow an agreement it made in October 2007 to discontinue using the nickname and logo by Aug. 15, 2011, unless it received approval from North Dakota's Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes.

Spirit Lake tribal members endorsed the nickname and logo in a referendum, and the tribe's governing council followed. The Standing Rock Sioux's tribal council, which has long opposed the nickname, has declined to change its stand.

Sounds like the NCAA was willing to make the same concession they made for FSU.

by **couch 'em** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:47 pm

abezontar wrote:Sounds like the NCAA was willing to make the same concession they made for FSU.

From RGV's post above, FSU had approval from one Seminole tribe but not the other, but was still allowed to use the name. North Dakota had approval from one Sioux tribe but not the other, and is not being allowed to use it.

by **abezontar** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:22 pm

couch 'em wrote:
abezontar wrote:Sounds like the NCAA was willing to make the same concession they made for FSU.

From RGV's post above, FSU had approval from one Seminole tribe but not the other, but was still allowed to use the name. North Dakota had approval from one Sioux tribe but not the other, and is not being allowed to use it.

I see two issues, the first, I imagine the fact that you are dealing with two in state tribes with NDU and only one in state tribe with FSU plays a factor. The second, with NDU one tribe said yes, one tribe said no. With FSU, one tribe said yes, the other tribe, located in Oklahoma said we don't care to make an official statement one way or another. The quote from the Oklahoma tribe was from one council elder who explicitly said he spoke for himself and not the whole tribal council. So, they may not be applying the smae standard to all schools, i.e. Notre Dame, but I don't think this is as simple as the NCAA is bad and everything they do is evil (at least not in this specific situation).

by **Junior** » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:29 pm

abezontar wrote:
couch 'em wrote:
abezontar wrote:Sounds like the NCAA was willing to make the same concession they made for FSU.

From RGV's post above, FSU had approval from one Seminole tribe but not the other, but was still allowed to use the name. North Dakota had approval from one Sioux tribe but not the other, and is not being allowed to use it.

I see two issues, the first, I imagine the fact that you are dealing with two in state tribes with NDU and only one in state tribe with FSU plays a factor. The second, with NDU one tribe said yes, one tribe said no. With FSU, one tribe said yes, the other tribe, located in Oklahoma said we don't care to make an official statement one way or another. The quote from the Oklahoma tribe was from one council elder who explicitly said he spoke for himself and not the whole tribal council. So, they may not be applying the smae standard to all schools, i.e. Notre Dame, but I don't think this is as simple as the NCAA is bad and everything they do is evil (at least not in this specific situation).

Did only Indiana leprechauns vote on the ND referendum?

by **EastStang** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:09 am

William and Mary can lend them the Griffin to be their mascot. What a joke the NCAA is. I'm sorry, but schools are paying players, giving them no work jobs, and the NCAA wants to punish schools who have native American nicknames. If you look deeper into the UND issue you'd find that a large portion of their students are of Sioux descent and went there with the nickname. UND unlike FSU does not have the tomahawk chop or the guy planting a spear at midfield (or midice). To me FSU's who Seminole stuff would appear more offensive to native Americans than the UND logo and name. Ask a Marquette alum what their nickname is now. "Gold"? Illinois is named after an indian tribe and the NCAA wants them to give up their nickname and indian trappings even though the Illini tribe is essentially gone.

by **stc9** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:16 pm

The people at the NCAA have too much free time if this is what they are worried about...

If the NCAA really cared about this and it was a moral stance for them, then they would ban the use for all schools. Now we have a powerful university (FSU) getting to keep the nickname and a small time university (UND) gets put between a rock and hard place. If the NCAA really wanted to make a moral stand (they would need to get a soul first, but I digress) then they should ban the practice outright instead of giving exemptions.

The UND Men's Hockey team (perrenial contender) needs to get ready for a 5 year investigation and loss of all scholarships.