Sample Admission Requirements Texas Colleges of Education

[Mexmustang]

Well, well another educated kiss of the pig! Don't you ever get below the surface. Do you really want us to believe that Baylor or UT has in bold print--Look at this course of study, we have dumbed down versions of English, Math and Economics, with special admittance requirements, special teachers, and curicula especially for our athletes.

In addition,

Let's talk apples and apples--you should be looking into schools in the Big East, not Texas schools, save for U of H.

How many require one year language of all students? How many require the same semester hours of English and Math, and at what level they must be acheived.

How many schools offer "special" levels of courses that have been "dumbed down" but have names like religion, phylosophy, socialogy, work studies, communications, etc., available to the general student body, but always seem to be early booked by athletes.

How many athletic friendly majors exist at these schools. You know very well that our success in the 80's depended upon SMU's majors such as PE, general studies and the like. Until Pye attempted to do away with all athletics at SMU we always had a way to keep our players in school if they put out the effort.

How many have general education majors, that don't require entrance into a speical school such as education or business? You have completely ignored a typical way competing schools avoid having to acheive minimum gpa, which is a general education degree plan.

I cannot understand why you are in such denial. The coaching prospects have basically said, unless you have a special course of study to keep athletes eligilble and in school, forget basketball in the Big East.

If you don't want to SMU to play on a level playing field just say so, but don't try to make an argument by ingoring realities. You recently completed a list of the greatest all-time SMU players, you know all them had athletic friendly majors available to them. I don't know how many needed to go that direction, but it was there. More importantly, how many made your list that didn't have these avenue of studies available? None!

If you don't want to take in inner city kids that are poorly prepared to handled SMU, just say so. But, many of us believe having that kid in a school like SMU with speicial courses and academic assistance does serve a common good. When SMU was founded we didn't put up a plaque that said we won't educated you if you are poorly prepared. SMU can well afford to take 25 or so students a year that have demonstrated potential and help them acheive, in fact I think it is our obligation. You realize that over 70% of minority infants born in this country are currently born out of wedlock? You don't believe that some of the values you learned at SMU are worth passing on? One attribute not worth passing on is this elitist attitude that fails to honestly examine reality!

[Stallion]

I count 8 questions and no answers-that's what you do best.

I just posted on Rivals that SMU has an Applied Physiology and Sports Management degree in the College of Education that athletes can be admitted to with a 2.0 GPA. Its basically a sports and recreation degree. There is an announcement of the students admitted this semester(only this semester) and I see 5 football players plus I see photos of our top BB starter and a Championship Women's Tennis Player plus apparently another BB starter recently graduated. I see that an All-CUSA OLM minored in this Department. If the players admitted this spring semester are representative of other Fall and Spring terms then that certainly is an availiable area of study.

And please give it up with your [deleted] foreign language argument. If you haven't taken it in High School or JUCO (the State of Texas requires it in High school) you can take it once you get to SMU-its no different that one of the 122 other credits you need to graduate or progress toward a degree. Absolutely no affect on our competitiveness

In fact, there are areas in which arguably SMU has less rigorous admission standards than the other similiar schools:

SMU requires 1 less credit in Math than A&M, Tech and Baylor
SMU requires 1 less credit in Science than A&M Tech, Baylor.
SMU does require more Social Science (3) but I hardly doubt that's a real big problem in High School since the Recommended Texas High School Plan requires 4 Units.
TCU's requirements are almost the exact same as SMU but they require one less lab in the 3 science cores.
UT are the same as SMU except that UT requires 1 less science course BUT it is Strongly recommended: Prospective students interested in studying architecture, business, geosciences, natural sciences, engineering, or other technical files are advised to prepare by taking science, including chemistry and physics, every year of high school. The additional unit may be counted as an elective (see below).

[BigT3x]

The old timers are still obsessed with Pye and rehash these same arguments over and over. Get over it. We are making enormous strides. We just got in to a BCS conference. I don't understand why the old guys on here insist on being butthurt about stuff that young grads like myself would know nothing about if they would stop constantly bringing it up.

[Mexmustang]

Stallion and I both want SMU to be relevant again. Most of your class could give a rat's [deleted] about SMU sports and show it by their lack of interest and attendance. You are interested or you wouldn't waiste your time on a Friday night reading it. More "old" men are represented on this board than you may believe.

Stallion feels things are fine and is able to do research on curicula, etc. that I don't have the time nor inclination to research. I know what is practiced and what appears in a college course catalogue are two different things. I do know that athletes need help and a couple of courses can make the difference between staying eligilble or not. They need help to see them through 4 hour workouts, lack of high school preparation and the fact some find it difficult to compete with the rest of the student body.

They not only need more investment in tutors, etc. but also some better prep courses that are geared to help them acheive success as they make academic progress. In addition, athletes do have interests in courses of study that we don't offer. Many simply want to be high school coaches, or go into law enforcement, etc.

The problem is that we are "perceived" by many high school players and coaches that SMU is not academically friendly toward athletes. This perception, I believe and many others agree has hampered our ability to successfully recruit a new basketball coach. June believes it although he was instrimental in getting one of these candidates to seriously consider the position (maybe he was seeking someone that believes as he does). Again, the word is "perception". Promises were made two years ago to provide athletic friendly courses of study and more tutoring help and it hasn't come to pass. Recently adding a one-year foreign language requirement has moved SMU backward.

Fortunately, I believe we will be successful in getting a study done by the "Blue Ribbon" committee to determine whether this "perception" is fact or fiction, whether we can compete in the Big East or not. I have seen the programs at Cal, Michigan and Vanderbilt in action. I would guess they operate the same at Rice and Stanford. Regardless, I feel we come up short. Let's find out.

[PK]

The old timers are still obsessed with Pye and rehash these same arguments over and over. Get over it. We are making enormous strides. We just got in to a BCS conference. I don't understand why the old guys on here insist on being butthurt about stuff that young grads like myself would know nothing about if they would stop constantly bringing it up.

It is the "old timers" who kept this program alive for the last 25 years of bull [deleted] so guys like you can come on here and [deleted] about the "old timers". They are butthurt about stuff that young grads like you don't know anything about because they had to live through it...you should just be glad that you didn't have to. Remember...those that do not heed the past are destined to repeat it...and trust me you don't want this BS to happen again. Whopee...we are making enormous strides...better hope the eff we continue to do so. The alternative sucks...we know, we have been there. So now Ponyup and keep these strides going, but remember the past...don't let it happen again.

[Topper]

Prop 48 took effect in 1986
Not sure of exact years but SWC definitely did not allow partial-qualifiers in its final years as the above articles point out in the difference between SWC and Big 8 standards
Before that it was the Wild Wild West-nobody had any standards. Dexter Manley was at one time leaning to SMU and he couldn't read. The point is that Texas was one of the first and definitely one of the few Southern super programs to support higher academic standards. That's why UT never considered going to the SEC-(although the SEC has somewhat raised their standards in very recent years)

Once again you are responding to posts that you do not read.

[Mitch McConnell]

I've lost count on this battle between Stallion and Maniac Mex. Who is winning?

[westexSMU]

BigT3x, do us "old-timers" a favor, who have been running this program for years, through thick and thin, and help figure out what it will take to get more young alumni and students to the games in the future ? I appreciate your support, but there is presently a serious lack of support with students. Fact is the program has gotten a lot better, thanks to us, and is worth supporting. We all want the program to succeed in the future as you do.

[SMUer]

*whispers* Join RBA...

[BigT3x]

BigT3x, do us "old-timers" a favor, who have been running this program for years, through thick and thin, and help figure out what it will take to get more young alumni and students to the games in the future ? I appreciate your support, but there is presently a serious lack of support with students. Fact is the program has gotten a lot better, thanks to us, and is worth supporting. We all want the program to succeed in the future as you do.

1. Allow reentry. This one is HUGE.
2. Free tickets to grad students (This one is shameful)
3. More exciting opponents. (already happening) What's the point of cupcakes to support the W-L when no one cares?
4. Support RBA's efforts to kill the golf clap "family friendly" atmosphere once and for all

Oh, and GET OVER IT. The DP happened before I was born and, I assure you, there are no more faculty members lurking in the halls scheming to kill football. This victim mentality stuff on here just turns people away. Recruits read this board.

[BigT3x]

It is the "old timers" who kept this program alive for the last 25 years of bull [deleted] so guys like you can come on here and [deleted] about the "old timers". They are butthurt about stuff that young grads like you don't know anything about because they had to live through it...you should just be glad that you didn't have to. Remember...those that do not heed the past are destined to repeat it...and trust me you don't want this BS to happen again. Whopee...we are making enormous strides...better hope the eff we continue to do so. The alternative sucks...we know, we have been there. So now Ponyup and keep these strides going, but remember the past...don't let it happen again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslHr7_9Zac

[PK]

It is the "old timers" who kept this program alive for the last 25 years of bull [deleted] so guys like you can come on here and [deleted] about the "old timers". They are butthurt about stuff that young grads like you don't know anything about because they had to live through it...you should just be glad that you didn't have to. Remember...those that do not heed the past are destined to repeat it...and trust me you don't want this BS to happen again. Whopee...we are making enormous strides...better hope the eff we continue to do so. The alternative sucks...we know, we have been there. So now Ponyup and keep these strides going, but remember the past...don't let it happen again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kslHr7_9Zac

Thanks...I enjoyed that.

Here is one for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOP6R3JvNHg

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