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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby NavyCrimson » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:46 pm

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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby East Coast Mustang » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:48 pm

couch 'em wrote:Seems like such a waste to make more admin space. We already more than doubled admin space when Blanton was built. Do we really need more? If so wouldn't a highrise across 75 be better?

Agreed- that's prime property on the "new" entrance to SMU from 75. You'd think they could do something cooler with it than more admin buildings.

I read somewhere that Laura wasn't crazy about having frat houses right across the street from the Bush Library- I suppose what she says, goes.
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby blackoutpony » Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:36 pm

East Coast Mustang wrote:
couch 'em wrote:Seems like such a waste to make more admin space. We already more than doubled admin space when Blanton was built. Do we really need more? If so wouldn't a highrise across 75 be better?

Agreed- that's prime property on the "new" entrance to SMU from 75. You'd think they could do something cooler with it than more admin buildings.

I read somewhere that Laura wasn't crazy about having frat houses right across the street from the Bush Library- I suppose what she says, goes.


The frat houses will move one street north to Dyer (where Pike, SAE, and ramda are) and they'll tear down that maintenance building, as well as two streets north to McFarlin where they just tore out all those houses. At least ,that was the plan.

Re Laura not liking the houses there, that's correct. If Laura and GW decided tomorrow that they couldn't stand having them next to the library anymore, they would move everyone within the next couple years.
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby NewAgeMustange » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:35 pm

Does anyone know how the construction projects are coming? I saw that new intersection at Mockingbird and Airline is under way. My question is why don't they just remove the "curvy" part of Airline road, from mockingbird to dublin? It seems that it would reduce the risk of people coming into contact with cars and give another nice little green area for the new dorms.
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby PonySnob » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:42 pm

It'll be interesting to see how much money the school requires the fraternities to raise with regards to building houses that none them even own when it is the school requiring them to move. From dialogue so far, doesn't sound like RGT is willing to take on much of the cost............


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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby blackoutpony » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:09 pm

PonySnob wrote:It'll be interesting to see how much money the school requires the fraternities to raise with regards to building houses that none them even own when it is the school requiring them to move. From dialogue so far, doesn't sound like RGT is willing to take on much of the cost............


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It's about $3 million

It's the biggest rip in the world. Pay for the the house then pay a ridiculous rent to the school for it. Such a joke
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby couch 'em » Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:39 pm

They want to bleed money from the fraternity system to keep sapping it's power
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby BigT3x » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:04 pm

You elephantwalkers think everything the school does is a secret plot to destroy your fraternities.
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby East Coast Mustang » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:54 pm

blackoutpony wrote:
PonySnob wrote:It'll be interesting to see how much money the school requires the fraternities to raise with regards to building houses that none them even own when it is the school requiring them to move. From dialogue so far, doesn't sound like RGT is willing to take on much of the cost............


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It's about $3 million

It's the biggest rip in the world. Pay for the the house then pay a ridiculous rent to the school for it. Such a joke

$3 million? Hell, fraternities could buy a house off-campus in HP for that.
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby StallionsModelT » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:40 am

Maybe things have changed since my time on The Hilltop but raising $3M for the frats should be absolutely no problem.
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby NewAgeMustange » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:55 am

I don't think that any of the houses have actually needed to raise any money yet. Kappa Sig has been on a "we are getting a new house next year" since I went through rush in 2008, and they still don't have one. I know that in the last year Tri Delt, Chi O and I am assuming now DG (as their house just got knocked down) have all gotten new houses. I think the only ones left at this point are theta, a chi o and gamma phi. really if anyone needs to be condemned and moved is sigma chi that house is a wreck
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby East Coast Mustang » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:44 am

Doesn't Sigma Chi actually own their house or some unique deal, and SMU can't run them off? Becuase you know they'd like to bulldoze that thing tomorrow if they could
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby b_caesar » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:18 pm

Yup
East Coast Mustang wrote:Doesn't Sigma Chi actually own their house or some unique deal, and SMU can't run them off? Becuase you know they'd like to bulldoze that thing tomorrow if they could


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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby blackoutpony » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:52 pm

NewAgeMustange wrote:I don't think that any of the houses have actually needed to raise any money yet. Kappa Sig has been on a "we are getting a new house next year" since I went through rush in 2008, and they still don't have one. I know that in the last year Tri Delt, Chi O and I am assuming now DG (as their house just got knocked down) have all gotten new houses. I think the only ones left at this point are theta, a chi o and gamma phi. really if anyone needs to be condemned and moved is sigma chi that house is a wreck


They were originally supposed to start the new houses years ago in the mid to late 2000's, but RGT kept pushing it back. Then some of the frats were told once the Bush Library was done, they would build new houses. Now I believe nothing is getting done until the sororities get new houses.

I believe the order for getting new frat houses (to the best of my memory) is Kappa Sig, Beta, Sig Ep (if they exist again), KA, and then Sigma Chi could be anywhere in there depending on what they do or don't do with their house since they sorta own it. I believe, and any sigma chi feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, they gave some concessions to the school on this a few years ago. Don't remember the specifics. Too much booze between now and then.

Tale this with a grain of salt, but this is what I was told by people that were on the school planning commission and in different frats, albeit about 3-4 years ago.
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Re: Harold Clark Simmons Hall and Quad

Postby NewAgeMustange » Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:58 pm

What about SMU's long term plans on moving the Fraternities? Would the new houses be moved to Dyer Court (were pike/sae/lambda) are would they build the new ones where they currently are and then rebuild at a later time? Additionally it will be interesting seeing how the certification affects the houses.

Starting with this class of first year students, all students will be required to live in on-campus housing for two years (unless granted exception – If their parents are close to home, they are over the age of 20, a veteran, have a family, etc.). Part of the two year live on requirement is that students can live in their affiliated house (either fraternity or sorority) IF the house has been certified. Important to note: certification is on the house, not the student.

The certification process will mostly mirror the Office of Fraternity and Sorority Life Pillars of Excellence Program and will go from December to November. If a fraternity or sorority house does not meet requirements then they will not be able to house sophomore students and those students will live in other on-campus housing instead.
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