Speaking of Endowments (TCU vs. SMU)

[rodrod5]

NACUBO numbers are out

http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/Endowme ... Values.pdf

TCU 1,514,296
SMU 1,505,296
Baylor 1,168,242

[NavyCrimson]

About time for another campaign.

[FroggieFever]

TCU is not exactly known for its accuracy in reporting information.

For instance, they continue to misreport the number of applications they receive on their Common Data Sets. This information, in turn, is used by college guide books and for various rankings.

The Common Data Set instructions clearly state that a university must report COMPLETED applications:

Applicants should include only those students who fulfilled the requirements for consideration for admission (i.e., who completed actionable applications) and who have been notified of one of the following actions: admission, nonadmission, placement on waiting list, or application withdrawn (by applicant or institution)

TCU, instead, includes individuals who partially complete their applications.

For instance, on the top of page 7 of their 2014-2015 Common Data Set, TCU reports applications from 6,536 males and 10,493 females, for a total of 17,029 applicants.

http://www.ir.tcu.edu/zfiles/TCUCDS2014.pdf

However, TCU had completed applications of 12,362 for 2014-2015.

http://www.ir.tcu.edu/factbooks/2015/entering_freshman.asp

Therefore, TCU reported an acceptance rate of 48.87%, when they should have reported an acceptance rate of 67.32%. 8,322 acceptances/12632 completed applications.

Other universities have gotten in trouble for using this trick, but that doesn't stop TCU.

TCU also receives unwarranted media attention as a result of misreporting their applications:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/06/25/number-of-student-applications-to-tcu-explodes/

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/TCU-Applicants-at-Record-Number-124620824.html

2015 completed applications to SMU: 12,992
2015 completed applications to TCU: 12,765

2015 acceptances by SMU: 6,360 or 48.95%
2015 acceptances by TCU: 7,973 or 62.46%

http://www.smu.edu/~/media/Site/ir/Trends/2015/Student/First_Time_Admissions_2015-2016.ashx?la=en

Love your posts but you're completely wrong.

PM me if you care to phone in Dean Brown to settle these erroneous allegations.

$25,000 to the charity of choice (SMU included) if I'm wrong. $0 if you are. Take the odds.

FWIW: You're thinking of Baylor. TCU is the only private institution in the state of TX to independently audit their books.

[smusic 00]

TCU is not exactly known for its accuracy in reporting information.

For instance, they continue to misreport the number of applications they receive on their Common Data Sets. This information, in turn, is used by college guide books and for various rankings.

The Common Data Set instructions clearly state that a university must report COMPLETED applications:

Applicants should include only those students who fulfilled the requirements for consideration for admission (i.e., who completed actionable applications) and who have been notified of one of the following actions: admission, nonadmission, placement on waiting list, or application withdrawn (by applicant or institution)

TCU, instead, includes individuals who partially complete their applications.

For instance, on the top of page 7 of their 2014-2015 Common Data Set, TCU reports applications from 6,536 males and 10,493 females, for a total of 17,029 applicants.

http://www.ir.tcu.edu/zfiles/TCUCDS2014.pdf

However, TCU had completed applications of 12,362 for 2014-2015.

http://www.ir.tcu.edu/factbooks/2015/entering_freshman.asp

Therefore, TCU reported an acceptance rate of 48.87%, when they should have reported an acceptance rate of 67.32%. 8,322 acceptances/12632 completed applications.

Other universities have gotten in trouble for using this trick, but that doesn't stop TCU.

TCU also receives unwarranted media attention as a result of misreporting their applications:

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/06/25/number-of-student-applications-to-tcu-explodes/

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/TCU-Applicants-at-Record-Number-124620824.html

2015 completed applications to SMU: 12,992
2015 completed applications to TCU: 12,765

2015 acceptances by SMU: 6,360 or 48.95%
2015 acceptances by TCU: 7,973 or 62.46%

http://www.smu.edu/~/media/Site/ir/Trends/2015/Student/First_Time_Admissions_2015-2016.ashx?la=en

Love your posts but you're completely wrong.

PM me if you care to phone in Dean Brown to settle these erroneous allegations.

$25,000 to the charity of choice (SMU included) if I'm wrong. $0 if you are. Take the odds.

FWIW: You're thinking of Baylor. TCU is the only private institution in the state of TX to independently audit their books.

The numbers are pretty clear. How do you dispute those? It's on the TCU website.

[Pony^]

FroggieFever,

If you are right and I am wrong, then Dean Brown needs to have a discussion with his Office of Institutional Research who is publishing the "erroneous" information -- not with me!

http://www.ir.tcu.edu/factbooks/2015/entering_freshman.asp

If you want to donate $25,000.00 to SMU, by all means, please go right ahead.

[FroggieFever]

FroggieFever,

If you are right and I am wrong, then Dean Brown needs to have a discussion with his Office of Institutional Research who is publishing the "erroneous" information -- not with me!

http://www.ir.tcu.edu/factbooks/2015/entering_freshman.asp

If you want to donate $25,000.00 to SMU, by all means, please go right ahead.

You're obviously close with the inside given some of the info you posted. Like I said prior, always enjoy your posts.

That said, TCU IS known for its accuracy in reporting admission information. Please see the attached, especially starting with paragraph two.

http://chronicle.com/blogs/headcount/wh ... data/32864

[tristatecoog]

2015 acceptances by SMU: 6,360 or 48.95%
2015 acceptances by TCU: 7,973 or 62.46%

What were the enrolled freshmen stats? Curious about the yield of each school.

Froggir, why not keep noting that the stats are audited?

I'd like placement stats to be thorough and audited. I was amazed at how thorough Ithaca College's placement stats were. They weren't stellar but I was very impressed by the honesty.

[gostangs]

It doesn't matter if TCU audits their information - if they report the information incorrectly. They clearly have used incomplete application information as a point of comparison - in what seems a disingenuous attempt to mislead.

[Pony^]

FroggieFever,

I can assure you that I am not “close with the inside,” just able to use the search function that one encounters on most university websites.

Following up on gostangs’ point, if PwC audited TCU’s numbers, they would have issued an audit report containing the audited numbers and an opinion. The opinion would have stated the scope of the engagement and an expression on the fairness of the numbers presented. Without seeing the report, one has no idea what numbers were audited and what type of opinion was rendered (nonqualified, qualified, etc.). In other words, just because the numbers were audited does not indicate, in and of itself, the auditors agreed that the numbers were fairly stated. Perhaps TCU has released the audit report; however, I have not seen it. Maybe you can provide a link. Further, there is no indication that PwC audited the Common Data Set that TCU submitted, or that the numbers on the Common Data Set reflect what was contained in the audit report.

I’m just trying to present facts, I have nothing against TCU. Other universities are certainly doing the same thing. I have friends and family members who went to TCU and are doing very well.


TriStateCoog,

Enrolled freshman stats were included in the links I provided.
For 2015, SMU – 1374 or 21.60%; TCU – 2072 or 25.99%.

[tristatecoog]

Thanks Pony^. That's cool data from TCU. I wish SMU's was as dynamically searchable.

So, TCU transfer applicants have an 88% acceptance rate and 53% yield which is substantially higher than the freshman rate. Back door is a good way to go and save some $$ after a year or two elsewhere.

Their yield 22-23% between 2013-14 and rose to 26% in 2015.

FTIC completed applications from Texans has declined since 2011 from 7762 to 5731. I thought TCU was becoming more popular, especially with the Big 12 inclusion. The big increase has been with Californians but not enough to offset the Texan decline.

Last year, 45% more FTIC females completed applications than males. Since 2011, males have completed 7.4% fewer applications while females have completed 1.3% fewer.

[gostangs]

So the reputation of TCU as being for girls who can't get into UT is basically true.

[PK]

So the reputation of TCU as being for girls who can't get into UT is basically true.

From what I have seen of TCU girls, UT is the loser.

[gostangs]

I didn't say pretty and stupid was a bad thing. Their Pom squad rocks. We have much to learn there.

[East Coast Mustang]

Inverse correlation between intelligence and attractiveness in females

[PK]

Inverse correlation between intelligence and attractiveness in females

I doubt your wife would agree with that correlation. I don't either, but then maybe I just married well.