Sample Admission Requirements Texas Colleges of Education

[Stallion]

Another common regurgitated statement of those claiming SMU has unfair policies for athletes is that they can't get into various Schools for majoring in an area of study. Well Duh! its like that at every school you'd want a degree from. NCAA requires that admission standards and requirements be uniform as to athletes and regular students. I'm still waiting for anyone to clearly explain why SMU's policies are so unfair in comparison to other similiar schools. I didn't bother to check Business schools-although some SMU fans have cried about athletes not be accepted to the Business School- because they generally have tougher requirements. But lets take a look at a sampling of Texas Colleges of Education which are the most often cited field of study:

Baylor School of Education: required 2.6 undergraduate GPA
Texas College of Education-Kinesiology/Health/Athletic Training: required 3.0 GPA
TCU College of Education 2.5 GPA and no less than C in 12 core courses
SMU-College of Education(Teacher's Certificate): 2.5 GPA required
SMU-College of Applied Physiology/Sports Management: 2.0 GPA required


Again, there are a million variations on this and anyone feel free to add another comparable area of study or university. But I think its pretty clear that most comparable schools have comparable requirements for all students to acheive in order to gain entry into a particular major.

[SMU Football Blog]

Considering Stallion was the Champion of model change for years and years, and assuming he didn't turn over his account to a child, one has to consider his points

[Topper]

I can't say that this still happens, but in the early 90s UT was required to admit a certain number of students annually who had "learning disabilities." Most, if not all, were scholarship athletes on the football or basketball team.

Also, UT offers the following major fields of study that I don't think are available at SMU, correct me if I am wrong:

Applied Physical Movement Science
Exercise Science
Health Promotion
Physical Culture and Sports
Sports Management
Athletic Training.

Seriously, athletes can work toward degrees in these fields at our flagship state institution.

[Stallion]

That'a incorrect report of what happened. Back in the 1990s-every Big 12 PROGRAM was allowed to admit 1 male and 1 female recruit with a learning disability per year for the entire program and there couldn't be more than 1 per 3 years in any one program at the university. Two of the most prominent were the kid from the University of Nebraska (Kenny Walker) and UT who had hearing problems. I can probably find proof still today. Otherwise, the Big 12 didn't allow non-qualifiers at the time which was the reason that Nebraska resented UT because Nebraska had much, much lower admission standards in the Big 8. In fact, UT was the school trying to raise the admission standards for all schools. Very well documented

[Stallion]

This is a more precise statement of the former Big 12 exception from Nebraska perspective(Note there is no such thing as a partial qualifier anymore-so the statement of rule is stale):

"The Big 12 allows each member university to admit four partial qualifiers: two men, two women, no more than one in each sport. The conference does not allow non-qualifiers to enter Big 12 schools directly if they want to compete later. Non-qualifiers must enroll at junior colleges before entering Big 12 schools."

NOTE-the last sentence basically is what SMU is doing now-allowing non-qualifiers to enter but only after graduating from JUCO.

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/2.8509/nc ... -1.1028460

[SMUfrat]

You make a good point. I think there are a lot of Mustang fans that get very caught up in 'pointing the finger'. I would like to hear less complaints and more problem-solving.

I think the true reason why we are 'behind' in athletics is because it has not been a priority for SMU until now. I believe there has been an internal conflict, and still is, about the relationship between athletics and academics. Many believe that SMU should be purely academically focused and that sports deteriorates this focus. I disagree with them, but acknowledge that it is a difficult balance. We don't want to be a 'Brown University' with non existent athletics, and we don't want to be a Bama, with awful academics.

The basketball search is upsetting, but it hopefully proves at the very least that SMU is dreaming big and trying.

I have faith we will get there.

[Topper]

That'a incorrect report of what happened. Back in the 1990s-every Big 12 PROGRAM was allowed to admit 1 male and 1 female recruit with a learning disability per year for the entire program and there couldn't be more than 1 per 3 years in any one program at the university. Two of the most prominent were the kid from the University of Nebraska (Kenny Walker) and UT who had hearing problems. I can probably find proof still today. Otherwise, the Big 12 didn't allow non-qualifiers at the time which was the reason that Nebraska resented UT because Nebraska had much, much lower admission standards in the Big 8. In fact, UT was the school trying to raise the admission standards for all schools. Very well documented

No, that is a very accurate report of what happened. I'm not talking about partial qualifiers. These kids got in school under the ADA and were considered fully qualified. Didn't have to count as partials. Not a question of admission standards because for these kids, there were essentially no admission standards.

[Stallion]

Nope-according to Big 12 Rules no recruit could be admitted to a Big 12 school under an NCAA Football scholarship except if they fit into that narrow exception-and it couldn't be more than 1 a year for any sport and the player had to have a diagnoised learning disability. Big 12 always had this limited qualifier rule. I know this comes as a shock to many because you can see through your hatred of UT but Texas has always advocated these higher standards. The Big 8 was competitive mostly because of the old Big 8 rule which allows scores of partial qualifiers. This ain't exactly a secret.

[Topper]

Nope-according to Big 12 Rules no recruit could be admitted to a Big 12 school under an NCAA Football scholarship except if they fit into that narrow exception-and it couldn't be more than 1 a year for any sport and the player had to have a diagnoised learning disability. Big 12 always had this limited qualifier rule. I know this comes as a shock to many because you can see through your hatred of UT but Texas has always advocated these higher standards. The Big 8 was competitive mostly because of the old Big 8 rule which allows scores of partial qualifiers. This ain't exactly a secret.

Nope. Caught you on this one.

[Stallion]

Sports Illustrated says you're wrong

Still, what most threatens Nebraska's championship streak is the Big 12's policy on accepting partial and non-qualifiers under NCAA freshman eligibility guidelines. (A partial qualifier is a prospective athlete who meets only one of two minimum academic requirements—grade point average or standardized test score. The minimums are a 2.0 GPA with a 900 on the SAT or 21 on the ACT; or a 2.5 GPA with a 700 SAT or 17 ACT. A non-qualifier meets neither standard. If a school accepts a partial or non-qualifier, the athlete is ineligible for athletics for one year). On Dec. 20 the Big 12 presidents voted unanimously to limit each school to four partial qualifiers per year (two men, two women) and no more than one in a single sport. Non-qualifiers were excluded entirely.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

[mrydel]

Careful Stallion. Sports Illustrated also just reported that Petrino will not be fired.

[Stallion]

CBS says he's wrong too

In an article about the ill will between UT and Nebraska they get to the point:

But things changed when Texas came in the room back in the mid-1990s and declared that the new Big 12 would not allow partial qualifiers. That's where it started for Nebraska. Osborne had built part of his empire on kids who just needed a chance. They didn't have either the minimum grade-point average or high enough SAT test score. They could achieve initial eligibility with one or other but they were labeled. Prop 48s they called them, a nickname derived from the NCAA legislation.

"I was on the [Big 12] task force," said former Iowa State AD Gene Smith, now with Ohio State. "I'll never forget when [Texas] came in the room.

"Texas would not come into the league unless we eliminated the Prop 48 deal. Nebraska lived on it. Oh my God, it was like heat across the board. The animosity started back then



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... l-will/rss

[mrydel]

Isn't that the station where Dan Rather put out the false reports?

[Topper]

Sports Illustrated says you're wrong

Still, what most threatens Nebraska's championship streak is the Big 12's policy on accepting partial and non-qualifiers under NCAA freshman eligibility guidelines. (A partial qualifier is a prospective athlete who meets only one of two minimum academic requirements—grade point average or standardized test score. The minimums are a 2.0 GPA with a 900 on the SAT or 21 on the ACT; or a 2.5 GPA with a 700 SAT or 17 ACT. A non-qualifier meets neither standard. If a school accepts a partial or non-qualifier, the athlete is ineligible for athletics for one year). On Dec. 20 the Big 12 presidents voted unanimously to limit each school to four partial qualifiers per year (two men, two women) and no more than one in a single sport. Non-qualifiers were excluded entirely.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

History says you are wrong Stallion. I have heard that you are a lawyer, but I don't believe it. My post referred to UT during the early 90s. The Big 12 did not begin competition until 1996. All of your comments about Nebraska etc are not relevant to my comments. You need to read things carefully before you leap into your full throated defense of all things burnt orange.

[Stallion]

Prop 48 took effect in 1986
Not sure of exact years but SWC definitely did not allow partial-qualifiers in its final years as the above articles point out in the difference between SWC and Big 8 standards
Before that it was the Wild Wild West-nobody had any standards. Dexter Manley was at one time leaning to SMU and he couldn't read. The point is that Texas was one of the first and definitely one of the few Southern super programs to support higher academic standards. That's why UT never considered going to the SEC-(although the SEC has somewhat raised their standards in very recent years)