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Repeal Title IX
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:47 amby ponyboy
Title IX has run amok. The fault in this regard does not lie so much in Title IX itself, whose key operative provision reads as follows:
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance...
In and of itself, this provision seems only to require that colleges give women the same opportunity to participate in sports as men. The sensible way to construe this requirement is to hold that colleges may not shut out those female students who want to participate in college sports on the same terms and conditions as men. So read, it would be lawful under the statute for fewer college women to participate in sports simply because the demand for athletic spots is much greater among men than it is among women. (emphasis added)
http://www.hoover.org/publications/defi ... icle/77231
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:48 pmby Smerkins
Well I do think that scholarships in sports should be directly related to revenue. Non-revenue sports should not have full scholarships.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:30 pmby aus10fromhous10
I've always thought that changing the rules to exclude football from the Title IX requirements for the number of male/female student athletes would go a long way toward giving universities a better chance at providing the greatest number of athletic opportunities to both men and women.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:37 pmby East Coast Mustang
Title IX is [deleted] stupid. No one wants to watch women's sports and not as many women want to play as men. I guess TCU's interior design program should be 50/50 men and women, too?
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:08 pmby PonyPower
Couldn't be further from the truth. I love watching men's and women's sports. I watched 4 women's teams at SMU this year (basketball, swimming, soccer, and volleyball) and thoroughly enjoyed all of them. They're very entertaining and competitive. Check them out.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:05 pmby ponyboy
Relatively few want to watch women's sports. And relatively few want to play.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:06 pmby blackoutpony
Even the cheerleaders dislike having to go to women's sports games. They complain about having to cheer for them all the time.
My understanding is that the women's sports teams mostly don't want them there either. Both sides find it awkward. What a lose, lose
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:00 pmby ponyboy
I like women's sports and find them enjoyable to watch by and large. Women tend to play basketball the way it was intended to be played. And the team coordination involved in softball is amazing. I just find the whole Title IX thing offensive.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:41 pmby Longtime
Just declare cheerleading a sport. Start handing out cheer scholarships and you could easily field a 20- to 40-person squad. Maybe more if you include dance team.
But the major proponents of Title IX stubbornly refuse to admit cheerleading is a sport, even though it's more athletic and competitive than many current NCAA-approved sports.
The Title IX watchdogs have a bias against cheerleading because it's been stereotyped as more of a "girlie" pursuit. Plus, they're afraid athletic directors will see it as a loophole and hand out scholarships to non-athletes who just stand there and look good on the sidelines.
If you've had any experience with elite level cheer competitions, you know just how silly that is. Cheerleading meets the very definition of an athletic opportunity that is not being met by colleges.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:56 pmby East Coast Mustang
I think we all know why cheerleading will never meet approval as a Title IX sport and that's because it's not L enough
This post will probably get deleted but whatever
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:37 pmby BigT3x
East Coast Mustang wrote:I think we all know why cheerleading will never meet approval as a Title IX sport and that's because it's not L enough
This post will probably get deleted but whatever
Must be hard for you. The bigots are losing control with every nursing home that gets a new round of residents.
It'll be over soon, don't worry.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:05 pmby East Coast Mustang
Typical MSNBC BS. Call someone a bigot when you cant refute the substance of their argument. Yawn.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:32 pmby Silk
Longtime wrote:Just declare cheerleading a sport. Start handing out cheer scholarships and you could easily field a 20- to 40-person squad. Maybe more if you include dance team.
But the major proponents of Title IX stubbornly refuse to admit cheerleading is a sport, even though it's more athletic and competitive than many current NCAA-approved sports.
The Title IX watchdogs have a bias against cheerleading because it's been stereotyped as more of a "girlie" pursuit. Plus, they're afraid athletic directors will see it as a loophole and hand out scholarships to non-athletes who just stand there and look good on the sidelines.
If you've had any experience with elite level cheer competitions, you know just how silly that is. Cheerleading meets the very definition of an athletic opportunity that is not being met by colleges.
A sport? As in an NCAA sport? Absolutely not. There is no debate that the cheerleaders are athletic and what they do is athletic, but it is no more an NCAA sport than mountain climbing. Nobody who is not either related to a cheerleader or dating one has ever gone to a game to see them. They offer extraordinary support and are a great part of the game day experience, but it is not a sport. It is part of what goes on around a sport (whether it's football, basketball, etc.)
East Coast Mustang wrote:I think we all know why cheerleading will never meet approval as a Title IX sport and that's because it's not L enough
This post will probably get deleted but whatever
Cheerleadering has nothing to do with being "L" or "C" - that's ridiculous, as is the claim that there is even a remote parallel to MSNBC or any other network. The only reason ESPN shows cheerleading "competitions" is the same reason it made up the X games: anything for ratings.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:22 pmby couch 'em
Cheerleading is as much a sport as equestrian or gymnastics, both NCAA sanctiined sports.
Re: Repeal Title IX
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Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:28 amby Silk
I disagree. While I'm not a fan of either, at least there is a winner and a loser in those. Cheerleaders never win or lose a game. They're part of the whole experience, and a fantastic part of it, but they're not the game and they're not the competitors. The media doesn't report on how the cheerleaders performed and Vegas doesn't set lines on how the cheerleaders perform, any more than they do about how the hot dog vendors did each Saturday.