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gostangs wrote:we are already ahead of A&M. That will not change - their student quality has stayed flat for years. They might get passed by Baylor soon.

What sets our calculation of 650 colleges and universities apart from other rankings is our firm belief in “output” over “input.” We’re not all that interested in what gets a student into college, like our peers who focus heavily on selectivity metrics such as high school class rank and SAT scores. Our sights are set directly on ROI: What are students getting out of college. (See CCAP’s full methodology here.)

We look at factors that directly concern today’s incoming students (and their families) who will be be footing a bill which has multiplied into the six figures: Will my classes be interesting? Is it likely I will graduate in four years? Will I incur a ton of debt getting my degree? And once I get out of school, will I get a good job and be a leader in my chosen profession? We pointedly ignore any metrics that would encourage schools to engage in wasteful spending.

Pony^ wrote:Wow! Looks like our sister school, Emory, fell off the face of the Earth.

Claremont McKenna isn’t the only top college that lied. Bucknell University doctored SAT results from 2006 to 2012; Emory University provided numbers for admitted students rather than enrolled ones for more than a decade; and Iona College lied about acceptance and graduation rates, SAT scores and alumni giving for nine years starting in 2002. All have since fessed up and claim to have instituted better practices. As a penalty for their dishonesty–and an acknowledgment of the growing scope of the problem–we are removing the four institutions from our list of the country’s best schools for two years.

gostangs wrote:Anyone else think the military institutes are all a little inflated? All great institutions, but not as hard to get in as many of the schools behind them on the list.

blackoutpony wrote:

gostangs wrote:Anyone else think the military institutes are all a little inflated? All great institutions, but not as hard to get in as many of the schools behind them on the list.

No. They really are that hard to get into and they are that hard. Senators and Congressman can only give out so many recommendations and you have to have one to get in, but by no means does it actually mean you get in. Think about that for a second. My dad and brother both went to Air Force and they both took an average of 23-25 hours a semester (apparently that's normal) which is absolutely insane. My brother took 29 hours once. That doesn't even include all the military training they had to do on the side and my dad played football and my brother was on the wings of blue parachute team. Needless to say, that's a pretty rigorous curriculum.

gostangs wrote:we are already ahead of A&M. That will not change - their student quality has stayed flat for years. They might get passed by Baylor soon.

Ponymon wrote:

gostangs wrote:we are already ahead of A&M. That will not change - their student quality has stayed flat for years. They might get passed by Baylor soon.

Hate to give you the bad news but A$M had 40,000 more applicants than last year because of the move to the SEC and Johnny Manziel's success. Additionally, they are moving up their required GPA to get into several of the schools significantly. Right now, for instance, it takes a 3.0 to average GPA to get into the business school. I believe that is going up to at least 3.2 next year and it could be higher than that.

Ponymon wrote:Hate to give you the bad news but A$M had 40,000 more applicants than last year because of the move to the SEC and Johnny Manziel's success.