Someone else thinks SMU should be in the Big 12

[Topper]

We were competitive until these last 10 games

competitive!? Do you realize we haven't won a single game against a Big XII school since the breakup of the SWC? We are something like 0-20. StallionsModelT is right. Accept it.

Not true. We beat Kansas several years ago. And we have beaten TCU a few times before they joined the Big 12.

[LA_Mustang]

You're right about Kansas, so we beat the worst Big XII team a decade ago. That's one win. TCU was not in the Big XII when we beat them.

[fifty]

LA, I realize we blow. However, if winning bowl games and being ranked around 40-50 is not competitive then what do you call 0-12 and being ranked ~180 per Sagarin?

[SoCal_Pony]

Most revealing stat:

Against Big12 South (only including TCU once they became P5) our record is.....drum roll please....

0-50-1

[PonySnob]

Most revealing stat:

Against Big12 South (only including TCU once they became P5) our record is.....drum roll please....

0-50-1

That tie seems like such a long time ago........

[Big12Mustang]

Most revealing stat:

Against Big12 South (only including TCU once they became P5) our record is.....drum roll please....

0-50-1

TCU did not fare well vs Big 12 either before joining, only beating Baylor which sucked, Iowa State, Tech on a down year and the only signature win was OU in 2005.
Yes, we don't have a signature win vs Big 12 but consider that we have shot ourselves in the foot (academic restrictions, etc) until June got here and single handedly demolished our program. If we were to join Big 12 (let's say in 2 years due to them wanting a championship game) along with Morris being our coach, our recruiting would skyrocket along with us surging as a very competitive team in that league.

[CalallenStang]

Most revealing stat:

Against Big12 South (only including TCU once they became P5) our record is.....drum roll please....

0-50-1

TCU was never in the Big 12 South

[SoCal_Pony]

Most revealing stat:

Against Big12 South (only including TCU once they became P5) our record is.....drum roll please....

0-50-1

TCU was never in the Big 12 South

Oh, I feel so much better knowing that

From Pony Express days to 0-50-1, arguably the biggest fall from grace in American sports history.

Having said that, I do think the potential is obviously there.

[LA_Mustang]

LA, I realize we blow. However, if winning bowl games and being ranked around 40-50 is not competitive then what do you call 0-12 and being ranked ~180 per Sagarin?

We have been competitive against non-BCS teams for quite a while, not counting this year. I'm talking about being competitive against BCS schools. I'm pretty sure you count our number of wins over BCS schools in the last 20 years on one hand. In most of the games against BCS schools they have their 2nd/3rd string in during the 2nd half because the games aren't competitive at all.

[Topper]

LA, I realize we blow. However, if winning bowl games and being ranked around 40-50 is not competitive then what do you call 0-12 and being ranked ~180 per Sagarin?

We have been competitive against non-BCS teams for quite a while, not counting this year. I'm talking about being competitive against BCS schools. I'm pretty sure you count our number of wins over BCS schools in the last 20 years on one hand. In most of the games against BCS schools they have their 2nd/3rd string in during the 2nd half because the games aren't competitive at all.

The BCS has only existed for 16 years so for four of the past 20 years we did not play a BCS school. I can only think of Kansas, Washington State and TCU as BCScurrent BCS conference schools that we have beaten during that time.

[Stallion]

Pitt
also beat Vandy

[PonySnob]

Pitt
also beat Vandy

Believe we beat Vanderbilt badly at Ownby in 1990 in the first game of the season and then lost 10 games in a row in Forrest Greg's last season as coach. We lost the next year at Vanderbilt during Tom Rossley's first season as head coach which was a 1-10 season as we'll. In both years, the team was much more competitive than the 2014 team.


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[LA_Mustang]

In the BCS/P5 era we are 3-30 against major conference teams. Our wins are over Kansas, Wash St and Pitt.

Sorry, I had Vandy listed. That was 1990, before the BCS.

[smumustang1980]

Pitt
also beat Vandy

Believe we beat Vanderbilt badly at Ownby in 1990 in the first game of the season and then lost 10 games in a row in Forrest Greg's last season as coach. We lost the next year at Vanderbilt during Tom Rossley's first season as head coach which was a 1-10 season as we'll. In both years, the team was much more competitive than the 2014 team.


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I was at the Vandy game at Ownby and we lost.

[smumustang1980]

We beat Arkansas in the 90's at the Cotton Bowl, at Little Rock in '92 or so... I was at both games. Rossley performed minor miracles with his talent.