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[CoxMustangFan]

Couple points. Even before they went Big 12, you didn't see TCU playing NTSU and you sure didn't see them going to Denton to play. If NTSU really wants shots at us, make them play at Ford every time they want to tee it up. Forget going to that Safeway parking lot up in Denton, that's dumb.
As far as next year, as of now we have to find a home game for 9/17/2016, otherwise we will open with 3 straight on the road. So, you might see an FBS again next year in that slot. I see no reason to say you won't play FBS. Its arrogant, like the P5 saying they won't play us. Don't say anything, just do what you need to do strategically. I could see us moving or cancelling NTSU next year to find a home game for our opener.

Surely Morris is in favor of getting someone besides NTSU on the schedule.

At the luncheon he stopped by our table for a few minutes and he did hint that we have some teams on the schedule that he wouldn't have scheduled. He didn't really specify (and I'm not sure I would put it on the Board if he did), but I think you will start seeing his influence on scheduling.

[Pony Boss]

I do prefer keeping Baylor and TCU home and homes in the schedule. I'm just "meh" about north texas...I don't like the fact we have to go up to denton.

[couch 'em]

Is everyone just against the series because their fans are annoying and they take the game way too seriously? I will never get the argument "it does nothing for us." What does playing Arkansas State do for us that UNT doesn't? People who say "schedule a MAC or sunbelt team instead" do realize we are just trading out one for the other right?

This is a fair question that I think has not been fully illustrated for the few out there for whom it is not completely obvious. I will try to do so below.

But first, I want to note that TCU, who has been far better run as an athletic department since the mid 90s, has only played UNT three times since we received the death penalty: 1999, 2001, 2002. None since 2002. There is a reason.
Baylor has only played them 4 times in that same post-DP era: 1999,2000, 2003, 2004.

Let's look at scenarios. Think about how this affects 18 year old recruits and unaffiliated Dallasites, both of who don't know our history:

1. Play random low end teams every year: No change in our status. Standard procedure.
2. Play UNT 10 years straight: Looks like a rivalry. Media will call it such. They will act like it is. Recruits will see it like one. Result: UNT status is raised, our status is lowered.

1. Beat UNT: We beat an inferior team as we should. No change in status.
2. Lose to UNT: Hurts our status for losing to an inferior team.

1. Play UNT only at Ford: We are buying a low end team, like everyone else does. No change.
2. Play UNT in Denton: Peer teams do home and home. Once again we look more on their level. Hurts our status.

1. Lose to random low end team: Hurts, but is forgotten next year.
2. Lose to UNT; Hurts way worse, and we have to hear about it for 8 more years under this scenario. People remember, the media mentions it every year.

Where is the win? We don't add recruiting prestige, program prestige, or fans by beating them. We risk all three by playing them regularly vs. playing random other teams. Only win is attendance.

I propose if we must play these low level Texas teams, lets put 5 or so team on a rotator, never playing any of them more than once every 5 years.

[Pony Boss]

Is everyone just against the series because their fans are annoying and they take the game way too seriously? I will never get the argument "it does nothing for us." What does playing Arkansas State do for us that UNT doesn't? People who say "schedule a MAC or sunbelt team instead" do realize we are just trading out one for the other right?

This is a fair question that I think has not been fully illustrated for the few out there for whom it is not completely obvious. I will try to do so below.

But first, I want to note that TCU, who has been far better run as an athletic department since the mid 90s, has only played UNT three times since we received the death penalty: 1999, 2001, 2002. None since 2002. There is a reason.
Baylor has only played them 4 times in that same post-DP era: 1999,2000, 2003, 2004.

Let's look at scenarios. Think about how this affects 18 year old recruits and unaffiliated Dallasites, both of who don't know our history:

1. Play random low end teams every year: No change in our status. Standard procedure.
2. Play UNT 10 years straight: Looks like a rivalry. Media will call it such. They will act like it is. Recruits will see it like one. Result: UNT status is raised, our status is lowered.

1. Beat UNT: We beat an inferior team as we should. No change in status.
2. Lose to UNT: Hurts our status for losing to an inferior team.

1. Play UNT only at Ford: We are buying a low end team, like everyone else does. No change.
2. Play UNT in Denton: Peer teams do home and home. Once again we look more on their level. Hurts our status.

1. Lose to random low end team: Hurts, but is forgotten next year.
2. Lose to UNT; Hurts way worse, and we have to hear about it for 8 more years under this scenario. People remember, the media mentions it every year.

Where is the win? We don't add recruiting prestige, program prestige, or fans by beating them. We risk all three by playing them regularly vs. playing random other teams. Only win is attendance.

I propose if we must play these low level Texas teams, lets put 5 or so team on a rotator, never playing any of them more than once every 5 years.

Hmm...that actually makes a lot of sense.

[PerunasHoof]

Is everyone just against the series because their fans are annoying and they take the game way too seriously? I will never get the argument "it does nothing for us." What does playing Arkansas State do for us that UNT doesn't? People who say "schedule a MAC or sunbelt team instead" do realize we are just trading out one for the other right?

This is a fair question that I think has not been fully illustrated for the few out there for whom it is not completely obvious. I will try to do so below.

But first, I want to note that TCU, who has been far better run as an athletic department since the mid 90s, has only played UNT three times since they joined FBS football: 1999, 2001, 2002. None since 2002. There is a reason.

Let's look at scenarios. Think about how this affects 18 year old recruits and unaffiliated Dallasites, both of who don't know our history:

1. Play random low end teams every year: No change in our status. Standard procedure.
2. Play UNT 10 years straight: Looks like a rivalry. Media will call it such. They will act like it is. Recruits will see it like one. Result: UNT status is raised, our status is lowered.

1. Beat UNT: We beat an inferior team as we should. No change in status.
2. Lose to UNT: Hurts our status for losing to an inferior team.

1. Play UNT only at Ford: We are buying a low end team, like everyone else does. No change.
2. Play UNT in Denton: Peer teams do home and home. Once again we look more on their level. Hurts our status.

1. Lose to random low end team: Hurts, but is forgotten next year.
2. Lose to UNT; Hurts way worse, and we have to hear about it for 8 more years under this scenario. People remember, the media mentions it every year.

Where is the win? We don't add recruiting prestige, program prestige, or fans by beating them. We risk all three by playing them regularly vs. playing random other teams. Only win is attendance.

I propose if we must play these low level Texas teams, lets put 5 or so team on a rotator, never playing any of them more than once every 5 years.

Ok, that makes some sense. They aren't a rival of ours, as much as they want to be. However, if we win every year like we are supposed to it won't make a difference. We're what, 28-4 against them? That's not a rivalry...

Again, I thought 10 years was too long. I'm not sure why we did that. I would rather play Rice or Texas State. Houston and San Marcos are much more fun to visit than Denton.

[mrydel]

Curious. Did we talk of dropping TCU when we had beaten them 15 years straight?

[SMU 86]

Is everyone just against the series because their fans are annoying and they take the game way too seriously? I will never get the argument "it does nothing for us." What does playing Arkansas State do for us that UNT doesn't? People who say "schedule a MAC or sunbelt team instead" do realize we are just trading out one for the other right?

This is a fair question that I think has not been fully illustrated for the few out there for whom it is not completely obvious. I will try to do so below.

But first, I want to note that TCU, who has been far better run as an athletic department since the mid 90s, has only played UNT three times since they joined FBS football: 1999, 2001, 2002. None since 2002. There is a reason.

Let's look at scenarios. Think about how this affects 18 year old recruits and unaffiliated Dallasites, both of who don't know our history:

1. Play random low end teams every year: No change in our status. Standard procedure.
2. Play UNT 10 years straight: Looks like a rivalry. Media will call it such. They will act like it is. Recruits will see it like one. Result: UNT status is raised, our status is lowered.

1. Beat UNT: We beat an inferior team as we should. No change in status.
2. Lose to UNT: Hurts our status for losing to an inferior team.

1. Play UNT only at Ford: We are buying a low end team, like everyone else does. No change.
2. Play UNT in Denton: Peer teams do home and home. Once again we look more on their level. Hurts our status.

1. Lose to random low end team: Hurts, but is forgotten next year.
2. Lose to UNT; Hurts way worse, and we have to hear about it for 8 more years under this scenario. People remember, the media mentions it every year.

Where is the win? We don't add recruiting prestige, program prestige, or fans by beating them. We risk all three by playing them regularly vs. playing random other teams. Only win is attendance.

I propose if we must play these low level Texas teams, lets put 5 or so team on a rotator, never playing any of them more than once every 5 years.

Ok, that makes some sense. They aren't a rival of ours, as much as they want to be. However, if we win every year like we are supposed to it won't make a difference. We're what, 28-4 against them? That's not a rivalry...

Again, I thought 10 years was too long. I'm not sure why we did that. I would rather play Rice or Texas State. Houston and San Marcos are much more fun to visit than Denton.

Texas State is in the Sunbelt conference.

[couch 'em]

Curious. Did we talk of dropping TCU when we had beaten them 15 years straight?

Seeing how that was from 1972 to 1986 and we were conference mates I don't see how that would even be possible.

Second as of 1986 the all time was 33-27 in our favor. Quite competitive.

Meanwhile when the SWC died we were 22-47 against pseudo-rival Texas. This we were dropped because it was only a rival on one side

[Rebel10]

We aren't going to drop the series two years after signing it.

The agreement was signed over 5+ years ago when Orisini was AD. So you do not have your facts straight.

[StallionsModelT]

It is the dumbest scheduling move we have ever made. A 10 year home and home series with NTSU is just stupid. Cut the cord. Pay them if we have to. There is no scenario where this is good for SMU.

[vielsiehorsepower]

Is everyone just against the series because their fans are annoying and they take the game way too seriously? I will never get the argument "it does nothing for us." What does playing Arkansas State do for us that UNT doesn't? People who say "schedule a MAC or sunbelt team instead" do realize we are just trading out one for the other right?

This is a fair question that I think has not been fully illustrated for the few out there for whom it is not completely obvious. I will try to do so below.

But first, I want to note that TCU, who has been far better run as an athletic department since the mid 90s, has only played UNT three times since we received the death penalty: 1999, 2001, 2002. None since 2002. There is a reason.
Baylor has only played them 4 times in that same post-DP era: 1999,2000, 2003, 2004.

Let's look at scenarios. Think about how this affects 18 year old recruits and unaffiliated Dallasites, both of who don't know our history:

1. Play random low end teams every year: No change in our status. Standard procedure.
2. Play UNT 10 years straight: Looks like a rivalry. Media will call it such. They will act like it is. Recruits will see it like one. Result: UNT status is raised, our status is lowered.

1. Beat UNT: We beat an inferior team as we should. No change in status.
2. Lose to UNT: Hurts our status for losing to an inferior team.

1. Play UNT only at Ford: We are buying a low end team, like everyone else does. No change.
2. Play UNT in Denton: Peer teams do home and home. Once again we look more on their level. Hurts our status.

1. Lose to random low end team: Hurts, but is forgotten next year.
2. Lose to UNT; Hurts way worse, and we have to hear about it for 8 more years under this scenario. People remember, the media mentions it every year.

Where is the win? We don't add recruiting prestige, program prestige, or fans by beating them. We risk all three by playing them regularly vs. playing random other teams. Only win is attendance.

I propose if we must play these low level Texas teams, lets put 5 or so team on a rotator, never playing any of them more than once every 5 years.

I think couch 'em is right

[RGV Pony]

So could Baylor make the same argument about us since they did home and home?

[PerunasHoof]

We aren't going to drop the series two years after signing it.

The agreement was signed over 5+ years ago when Orisini was AD. So you do not have your facts straight.

Haha, it's certainly not the first time that's the case.

http://www.meangreensports.com/sports/m ... 08aaa.html

I guess it was actually back in 2008. As I get older time seems to lose its relativity.

[Rebel10]

As I get older time seems to lose its relativity.

I know the feeling.

[JasonB]

Has us playing TCU or Baylor elevated our school or program?

Has Rice playing UT every single year elevated their school or program?

Meh. If another game in the state of texas is a selling point to the parents of our recruits, then sure.