Appeal looks less likely

[RGV Pony]

Had this happen last week. Atty said "it's throwing good money after bad but it's your money"

[OhioBrownFan]

I'd rather appeal the recruiting restrictions than the scholarships. When was the last time that we used our full compliment of scholarships? We haven't in the past couple of years.

That's not a smart approach. Most teams don't use all of their scholarships. You have an 8 man rotation in most cases, so the other 5 sit idle. And when you have a full bench, players transfer. Recruiting will be much easier with a decent run in the tourney, not by sitting out and hoping that SMU lands the talent it has on roster again in the next 4-5 years. Let's be honest, it's not like the shelf is getting restocked in the next few years right now. 3*s as a foundation aren't going to any final fours or leading to top 5 rankings in the country. And recruiting will only be tougher when LB is gone and we're looking at "SMU basketball" with no-name head coach. Just being real.

SMU basketball looks better if the team is top 20 and going to a Sweet 16 this year.

[78pony]

If you want to see us appeal - you better let upper administration know very soon (like today). I am telling you they are leaning the other way.

Their rational is the following - this is the new punishment matrix, therefore they are unlikely to give us relief. Therefore, we might as well get it over with and not effect the program long term. the fear is another year of clouds over recruiting, particularly with guys that think they are one and done. The only thing the admin is even thinking about appealing is the post season - and that idea is starting to wane. The mean well, but are wrong in my view on this one.

Reality is the program is already going to be effected at least for a year or so, so we might as well delay our punishment since this is our best shot in over a decade, assuming the seniors stay. We have the coach and the talent to make run - we are trading a good shot for a very sketchy maybe.

Plus our community needs to know we will stand up for ourselves when wronged. That to me is worth it regardless of the outcome. If we wont do that why should I spend time and money on a program that will never be relevant again since we are scared of our shadow if the NCAA comes calling.

Only caveat - if seniors are leaving regardless, we should go ahead and take it now.

Yes, you better do it fast as gostangs is right. we don't have a particularly strong stomach to begin with. The longer they have to get worried the less likely we are to do anything.

[One Trick Pony]

You people aren't living in a glass house you know we're going to roll over and take it up the ying yang

[CalallenStang]

I'd rather appeal the recruiting restrictions than the scholarships. When was the last time that we used our full compliment of scholarships? We haven't in the past couple of years.

That's not a smart approach. Most teams don't use all of their scholarships. You have an 8 man rotation in most cases, so the other 5 sit idle. And when you have a full bench, players transfer. Recruiting will be much easier with a decent run in the tourney, not by sitting out and hoping that SMU lands the talent it has on roster again in the next 4-5 years. Let's be honest, it's not like the shelf is getting restocked in the next few years right now. 3*s as a foundation aren't going to any final fours or leading to top 5 rankings in the country. And recruiting will only be tougher when LB is gone and we're looking at "SMU basketball" with no-name head coach. Just being real.

SMU basketball looks better if the team is top 20 and going to a Sweet 16 this year.

You said that it's not a smart approach and then said exactly the same thing that I said.

[Stallion]

the positive is every younger player on our roster from Junior class to Freshman is a quality player. Maybe not Top 50 but they are quality prospects-many of which have already proven they can play Championship Basketball. Well Emelogu has some work to do but if we can fill the roster with a couple of bigs we can survive the probation as long as we keep the team together. Sterling, Frazier B. Moore and the Duke transfer (whose name I can never remember how to spell-O....never mind). That is a strong nucleus to rebuild around. What I'm saying is that we can play with 11, 10, 10 and 12 players in successive years because we don't have much deadwood on the bench.

[SMUstangs22]

the positive is every younger player on our roster from Junior class to Freshman is a quality player. Maybe not Top 50 but they are quality prospects-many of which have already proven they can play Championship Basketball. Well Emelogu has some work to do but if we can fill the roster with a couple of bigs we can survive the probation as long as we keep the team together. Sterling, Frazier B. Moore and the Duke transfer (whose name I can never remember how to spell-O....never mind. What I'm saying is that we can play with 10 players because we don't have much deadwood on the bench.

A quality big or 2 in the next class is CRUCIAL

[Rebel10]

SMU basketball looks better if the team is top 20 and going to a Sweet 16 this year.

You're right about that.

[Stallion]

We can offer big men guaranteed, immediate playing time-that's for sure. That's how we sell it.

[RGV Pony]

Worked for o-line in football.

[Charleston Pony]

the other roster issue is quality practice. With only 10 'ship players, we will need some quality walk-ons to challenge our guys during practice. You are always going to have someone injured, sick, whatever...so need to find some bigs willing to walk-on and practice with only the hope of getting those 30 second appearances during blowouts at Moody. Walk-on guards are easier to find, but not that many quality big guys roaming around campus.

[PK]

the other roster issue is quality practice. With only 10 'ship players, we will need some quality walk-ons to challenge our guys during practice. You are always going to have someone injured, sick, whatever...so need to find some bigs willing to walk-on and practice with only the hope of getting those 30 second appearances during blowouts at Moody. Walk-on guards are easier to find, but not that many quality big guys roaming around campus.

So there are a lot of big rich kids that can afford to walk on?

[2ndandlong]

First, I am not sure anyone has sued the NCAA for breach of its own constitution, using an arbitrary and capricious methodology. By agreeing that sanctions would be "reasonable", to me that means proportionally reasonable. Thus, when you have a Maurice Clarett situation or "U" shoe store party and they get little punishment (despite multiple violations), and then for what amounts to one violation, that was self-reported, and the wrong-doers punished, it seems to be that the punishment was arbitrary and capricious and that the entire system of punishments is arbitrary and capricious. Why do you think the Federal Courts and many states came up with sentencing guidelines? Because judges varied in meting out punishments for like offenses. (From probation to suspended sentences to hard time). Those types of examples could be used to bolster an arbitrary and capricious argument. Why not have set guidelines for each school for each type of violation? And thus the lack of them is evidence of arbitrariness.

The NCAA has gone to a violation structure as suggested and this penalty falls in line with that structure unfortunately. I posted a link to guidelines in another thread.

[One Trick Pony]

What happens if you buy someone a car

[Mestengo]

They get free transportation?