Uh Oh...........

[jtstang]

Going back to the "secret one-on-one meeting" between undisclosed persons that started this thread, unless you have names it is really just total BS and this thread should have been deleted as too vague.

Actually, true to my prediction, Roberts confirmed a players-only meeting in the Morning News article yesterday. Talking about how to salvage the season or somesuch. Shoulda started the conversation with "Let's beat Houston" but I guess that slipped their minds...

[Billy Joe]

Maybe the Board of Trustee can have a meeting to discuss the horrible state of SMU athletics. They better make a good AD hire. This school needs to seriously rethink whether or not it wants to compete in Division 1-A athletics. This men's basketball team is pathetic especially after the crap they put on the court against Tulsa.

[Hoop Fan]

Can I please request some consistency on this board regarding the recruiting process? When BHop, Devon and Derrick Roberts play well, we are reminded that Tubbs recruited those guys as an assistant under Dement and Dement could've never landed them without Tubbs. When these guys play awful (which has been a lot recently), we are reminded that these guys are leftovers from the Dement era.

Now everyone is crediting Tubbs with landing Bamba because he has certainly exceeded everyone's expectations. If you go back and read the DMN article about Bamba, it clearly states that Lineburg recruited him. For numerous years Lineburg has been the coach doing the international recruiting (including prep schools).

So while I don't think it matters a whole lot who gets the credit or blame, I think there should be some consistency when discussing recruits and the role of the head coach vs. the assistants.

As for the original point of this thread, don't rule those meetings out as BS just yet. I certainly don't have the full details, but in talking to some of the players when they got back from Houston, it sounds like this program is about as close to rock bottom as it has been in a long, long time.

nobody ever suggested that tubbs had anything to do with recruiting Pearson or Roberts. Unless he did so while he was on Kelvin Sampsons staff at OU. If you are gonna ask for consistency, how bout a shred of accuracy on your part? Find the post that claims Tubbs recruited Roberts, Pearson. Even when Pearson and Roberts play well, the fact is the Junior and Soph classes overall are weak and those are all Dement, not Tubbs.

You seem to have quite an agenda. Way to suggest a bunch of innuendo. Of course any team would be down right now and looking for answers. You have made 6 posts on this website now and it seems all of them go after Tubbs.

[WildHorse]

For the record, Coach Tubbs recruited Hopkins, Jeryl Sasser, Quinton Ross, Damon Hancokc and Willie Davis when he was on Coach Dement's staff. Give him a break -- the man can recruit.

[FriscoPMG]

First, I know that Tubbs did not recruit Pearson & Roberts -- I misspoke there. And I'm certainly not questioning his role in recruiting all of those past guys. All I'm saying is that if he gets all the credit for recruiting those guys as an assistant coach, then how can he get the credit for recruiting Bamba as the head coach? If anything, let's congrats Coach Lineburg on landing Bamba.

As for my stance on Tubbs, I was against the hiring from the day his name was thrown into the mix and yes, I have been critical since then. I was hoping SMU would go out and get some fresh young blood in here to try to turn this thing around, but I know the DISD coaches forced SMU into the corner and they had no choice but to hire Tubbs.

I still want to see SMU succeed more than anything else, but I just don't see signs of that happening any time soon. And for those that say we have to be patient, I'm not disagreeing, but how long should we be waiting? Seems like all we do is wait for the core talent to mature. My criticisms of Tubbs are simply my observations so I apologize if my opinions make people mad. But even as much of a supporter as you may be, I don't think anyone expected that this team would be this bad -- with factual RPI rankings to back that.

And now I will oblige EastStang's request to shut up since I don't matter. But if some more facts happen to arise in the near future, then we can continue our discussion.

[Hoop Fan]

fine, give Lineburg credit. He's never been confused with a recruiting whiz I dont think, but I like him and I'm sure he helped. You do realize that Bamba was not a Virginian or even much of an international find? He has a connection here in Dallas and played on Team Texas or at least was on the roster.

I happen to think Tubbs can get this program on track better than 99% of the coaching options that we could get in here. Let him make some mistakes along the way, but give him the appropriate time. You cant take all the frustrations of the Dement and Cavan years out on these current coaches.

[Stallion]

and I think you can't take out 16 years of futility out on Dement. do you realize that he is the only coach (with due credit to Tubbs) that has put a nationally competitive team on the floor in either 32 years of SMU Football and Basketball. (OK in addition to Shumate 1 year fluke) Sure his program dropped-so has every other coaches' program at SMU. Dement had this program on the lip of actually turning the corner-if he had had the slightest assist from the administration he would have gotten it done

[MustangIcon]

I hate to break it to you guys but I don't care how hard an assistant coach recruits a guy it still counts as the headcoaches recruit. Do you think any recruit in their right mind would pick a college based on the assistant coach without regard for head coach? Newsflash, assistants don't decide PT, have final say over how a player will or will not be used, or get the national publicity. HEAD COACHES do.

A big part of being a D1 assistant coach is recruiting. It is part of the job description. Yes Tubbs helped get guys like BHop, Q, Damon and Sasser but at the end of the day, they must have held Dement in high regard to decide on coming here.

This is also true currently. Bamba might have been heavily recruited by any number of assistants, but at the end of the day his approval of Tubbs as his HEAD COACH played a bigger role in him coming than that of what he thought of an assistant.

[Hoop Fan]

of course the head coach gets the ultimate credit, see above where I noted BHop as Dements recruit. But you'd be kidding yourself if you don't think the lead assistant has a big effect on recruiting. The assistants are very important, especially if the head coach is not all that adept in the inner city. Some coaches lean on them more than others. Bill Self can recruit anybody anywhere. Guys like Eddie Sutton (well until now), Bruce Weber lean more on the assistant. I think Dement was a decent recruiter, but relied alot on Tubbs. Nothing wrong with that.