Possible fate of the ACC

[Caballo]

Interesting article on the likely implosion of the ACC in the near future. If the schools mentioned go to the Big 10, 11, 12, ... or the SEC, that will leave some other pretty notable schools without a home.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/clay-tra ... nt-out-acc

[SoCal_Pony]

to me a big question in all this is simply….

will the PAC-12 & ACC do nothing and allow the B12 to decide their fates or will they take some sort of preventative measurements, ie create their own coast-to-coast league with the combined leftovers in direct competition to the B12.

At the end of the day, these are academic institutions and the better ones reside on the coasts, not in B12 territory.

It’s like turning over your 4th generation business to your dim-witted in-law.

Might happen, but i suspect not without a fight by the smarter people in the room.

[Charleston Pony]

The challenge is that there is nothing the PAC12, Big 12 or ACC can do by way of expansion that will net them anywhere near the payouts the Big 10 and SEC can deliver. This becomes less of a question whether you can enhance your conference's value but more of a "can you eliminate your competition" and that's a tough line to cross because it guarantees litigation will ensue

[Comet]

That article doesn’t do a good job at all of going into the ACC GOR which is notoriously difficult to get out. ACC is NOT getting raided anytime soon unless a school is ready to go into litigation or ready to drop $100m+ on an exit.

[Charleston Pony]

That article doesn’t do a good job at all of going into the ACC GOR which is notoriously difficult to get out. ACC is NOT getting raided anytime soon unless a school is ready to go into litigation or ready to drop $100m+ on an exit.

He mentions the fact that almost every school would like to get into the Big 10 or SEC and the fact that a majority of schools could override the GOR rule so it's only a question of how far the Big 10 or SEC might be willing to go in reshaping the college landscape

[SoCal_Pony]

The challenge is that there is nothing the PAC12, Big 12 or ACC can do by way of expansion that will net them anywhere near the payouts the Big 10 and SEC can deliver. This becomes less of a question whether you can enhance your conference's value but more of a "can you eliminate your competition" and that's a tough line to cross because it guarantees litigation will ensue

CP, i think everyone has accepted the fact that B10/SEC will be unrivaled.

The question to me is do academic schools such as Cal, Stanford, GA Tech, BC, Duke, Virginia, maybe North Carolina, schools that DON’T get P2 invites….do they want to be aligned with the B12, or will they create their own conference and select their own conference mates. A conference with these schools can attract Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Pitt, VA Tech, Syracuse, and yes, maybe even SMU. It would be a far superior conference IMO to the B12. But if they do nothing, the B12 will just pick them off a couple at a time and end up being the 3rd best conference.

I doubt the ACC, PAC & B12 will all survive.

[SMU_Alum11]

I rather be in the ACC a million times more than the PAC12. While the rose bowl sounds nice, I feel the PAC12 is now just the Big 12 with losing their top 2 schools. The remainder isn't much to consider other than Oregon and sometimes Washington. None of those places sound fun to go to.

ACC is more a natural fit and we can be highly competitive in a respected conference for football and especially basketball. Non-political issue to deal with like you would have with far lefties on the west coast.

#SMU2ACC

[Water Pony]

If the PAC12 and ACC collaborate to create a quasi-coast-to-coast conference merger/alliance, they could become a third super conference (albeit with less payout that BIG10 and SEC), based on four time zone and plenty of sports content. Of course, this assumes that the remaining PAC10 schools stay committed to each other and SEC doesn't want FL State and Clemson, which I suggest they don't need.

The new Atlantic-Pacific Conference/Alliance would have a "bow tie" strategy with SMU and Dallas in the middle tying the coasts together. The new PAC12 would add SMU and San Diego State to get to 12.

Perhaps ND decides to be the kingmaker by joining and saving the ACC and being a counterweight to the hegemony of the P2?

[SMU_Alum11]

WP that makes sense and why both would be talking to SMU. If that happens why on earth is the Big 12 sitting there. Perhaps there's teams in both PAC and ACC that are wanting to create a new one and the Big 12 would have teams joining it. Ironically they will want to be called the American conference and will pay the AAC to name change. Lol

[EastStang]

Did I read the article correctly that the writer said the ACC attracted Maryland from Big Ten. Attendance numbers are misleading. UVA is lower than Virginia Tech yet according to article UVA is more attractive to SEC? Vanderbilt and SMU are close in attendance. La. Tech has higher attendance than SMU, Vandy and Washington State. No one is calling for their addition to P5. Yes if half of ACC vote to dissolve the conference then GOR goes as well. If SEC and Big Ten colluded to get 8 schools, then anti-trust liability could follow.

[Dukie]

Did I read the article correctly that the writer said the ACC attracted Maryland from Big Ten.

It’s a typo—he meant to say B1G, not ACC.

[EastStang]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/turning-point-college-football-acc-083000414.html

This direction of the ACC would fit us nicely.

[Water Pony]

ACC Commissioner, Jim Phillips (previously Northwestern AD), said it well ... "Commissioner Jim Phillips jabs SEC and Big Ten at ACC Media Days"

SEC and BiG10 = Gated Communities

https://www.al.com/sec/2022/07/acc-comm ... mment.html

[Dukie]

Everything that came out of the ACC commissioner's mouth today was a disaster for any hope of the ACC remaining on the higher end of the competitiveness scale as conferences swirl. The willingness of Clemson and others to take their chances on trying to break the GOR just went way up. If you see the ACC as a way for SMU to try to get back up (somewhat) near the top of college sports conferences, this is terrible news. If you are hopeful for SMU to have a chance of joining an ACC without its biggest football names today, maybe it's not so terrible.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/giglio-ph ... /20382466/

[Water Pony]

Perhaps ACC Commissioner, Phillips, is naive and longing for a past we have lost. It will likely raise questions whether he capable of being aggressive on behalf the ACC.

However, the Gated Community of the BiG10 and SEC will be our new reality. Whatever the ACC, Big12, and PAC12 or some combination of these three do, it will only generate a small fraction of the P2, who are will be controlled and driven by these huge payouts from ESPN and Fox.

Most of the posts and tweet I see are from fans, especially from the Big12, who demand further predatory behavior, which might create 2.5 to 3.5 Super Conferences, at the expense of the second-tier members of PAC12 and ACC.

To what end will fans of college football finds themselves? 32-40 NFL type programs? The loss of any expectation that the remaining 80-100 FBS schools will be able to afford the salaries of coache$, NILs, over-built/half empty stadium, and huge debt service. The loss and appeal of traditions and regional rivalries? I don't care to watch a steady diet of SEC and Big10 games, which ESPN and Fox will promote.

The only hope is that the three-remaining P5 conferences find a way to survive and hopefully flourish, hopefully with SMU as a member. They have to be committed to each other and seek a future, which allows college football to have fans everywhere.

The stewards of the game have lost control and given the power to the media. Schools and conferences need to take back control, even if it is marginal.