June 30 is fast approaching

[SMUstang]

I seriously doubt if the next Big XII addition is another G5 team. They desperately need more state flagships. Think Colorado, Utah, and Arizona for example. Although SDSU basketball could also be attractive to their basketball centric focus since they played in the national championship game last year. And they could be a travel partner with Gonzaga.

Assuming the PAC cannot come up with a competitive media package, just looking at probabilities at the moment, I would say that Utah would probably stay in the PAC, and also staying in the PAC would be Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, Cal and Stanford, The PAC may then try to add the markets of SDSU and SMU and stay at 9 at the lower media package with unequal revenue distribution. Would that be a good deal for SMU? It depends on the size of the media package and the revenue distribution.

[Topper]

I seriously doubt if the next Big XII addition is another G5 team. They desperately need more state flagships. Think Colorado, Utah, and Arizona for example. Although SDSU basketball could also be attractive to their basketball centric focus since they played in the national championship game last year. And they could be a travel partner with Gonzaga.

Assuming the PAC cannot come up with a competitive media package, just looking at probabilities at the moment, I would say that Utah would probably stay in the PAC, and also staying in the PAC would be Washington, WSU, Oregon, OSU, Cal and Stanford, The PAC may then try to add the markets of SDSU and SMU and stay at 9 at the lower media package with unequal revenue distribution. Would that be a good deal for SMU? It depends on the size of the media package and the revenue distribution.

Lubbock is closer to San Diego than Spokane. I would hardly classify SDSU and the Zags as travel partners.

[mtrout]

I never understood the whole 'travel partners' thing. What are teams supposed to do, car pool to competitions?

[max the wonder dog]

I never understood the whole 'travel partners' thing. What are teams supposed to do, car pool to competitions?

I think it's for the benefit of the traveling team, not the destination team, and more important for teams other than football. For example, a volleyball team visiting SMU could add a game with UNT and not have to spring for additional airfare. Key word think. I could be wrong.

[SoCal_Pony]

the fat lady is warming up. she is ready for an additional 16mil.. if this deal even happens. It would not surprise me if B12 offered sdsu a place at the table at the last moment. hence destroying any possible P12 deal.

then you’re not following this very closely Red

SDSU’s Prez has undergraduate, graduate and postgraduate degrees from Cal-Berkeley. Her ultimate goals for SDSU are academic, not athletic.

You are entirely missing the boat if you think SDSU wants to be associated with truck stop schools in the great plains over Cal & Stanford and other west coast schools

[SoCal_Pony]

I seriously doubt if the next Big XII addition is another G5 team. They desperately need more state flagships. Think Colorado, Utah, and Arizona for example.

If you know anything about expansion, or for that matter, life….desperately needing vs actually getting are 2 separate animals all together

[SoCal_Pony]

It is doubtful that we would even be considered for the PAC if we had not emphasized academics since the dp.

Now you’re just trolling

SMU was better academically and, relatively speaking, had a larger endowment pre-DP than today

What makes this even more frustrating is that no major area outside of Silicon Valley grew more rapidly than Dallas…..

but keep trolling if you must

[SMUstang]

Joan Gosnell
Jun 26 2023, 09:47am via System

Dear Tom Francis,

What a fascinating question with no real answer. Unlike the World Series, there is no acknowledged winner (or even definition) of academic standing in academia. Academia has all sorts of statistics https://www.smu.edu/Provost/University- ... ics#trends that try to get to the heart of academic standing. Most of the figures that we have go back to the early 2000s, and the common data sets go back to 1999. Yes, there are records in the SMU archives that have similar sets of statistics for the 1990s and late 1980s.

I'm not really sure how to answer your question. I think you are really asking if the football death penalty had an effect on the academic life of the University. The short answer is that SMU is stronger academically than it was in the 1980s. https://www.smu.edu/AboutSMU/Facts/CampusProfile

Joan Gosnell, University Archivist

[max the wonder dog]

PAC 12 Insider says expansion to be announced before conference July 21 media day.

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-insider-believes-expansion-could-be-announced-before-pac-12-media-day

[mtrout]

PAC 12 Insider says expansion to be announced before conference July 21 media day.

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-insider-believes-expansion-could-be-announced-before-pac-12-media-day

Did they provide a year?

[max the wonder dog]

PAC 12 Insider says expansion to be announced before conference July 21 media day.

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-insider-believes-expansion-could-be-announced-before-pac-12-media-day

Did they provide a year?

They wouldn't go that far out on the limb

[mustangxc]

Joan Gosnell
Jun 26 2023, 09:47am via System

Dear Tom Francis,

What a fascinating question with no real answer. Unlike the World Series, there is no acknowledged winner (or even definition) of academic standing in academia. Academia has all sorts of statistics https://www.smu.edu/Provost/University- ... ics#trends that try to get to the heart of academic standing. Most of the figures that we have go back to the early 2000s, and the common data sets go back to 1999. Yes, there are records in the SMU archives that have similar sets of statistics for the 1990s and late 1980s.

I'm not really sure how to answer your question. I think you are really asking if the football death penalty had an effect on the academic life of the University. The short answer is that SMU is stronger academically than it was in the 1980s. https://www.smu.edu/AboutSMU/Facts/CampusProfile

Joan Gosnell, University Archivist

You and SoCal are both right. SMU is better academically than it was in the 1980s but have fallen back relative to our peers.