MWC possibilities

[GoRedGoBlue]

TCU does better in the MWC than they did in CUSA. Even without Louisville, the CUSA is a good mid-level conference and matches up with the MWC fairly well. Besides, we want a schedule in our time zone (except for El Paso). Now pop another one.

TCU couldn't go undefeated in CUSA or the WAC. First year in the MWC they sweep it.

The next best team last year in the MWC was 6-5 Utah.

[GoRedGoBlue]

No one really answered my main question. What is the strategic thinking of the new AD?

In the end, TCU will regret leaving for the MWC.

They would have had the same respect in CUSA having beaten OU last year AND been able to play another 9 win team in the CUSA Champ game.

[that's great raplh]

i agree

stupid move - increased costs, lamer rivals and more of a west coast flavor

[FroggieFever]

TCU does better in the MWC than they did in CUSA. Even without Louisville, the CUSA is a good mid-level conference and matches up with the MWC fairly well. Besides, we want a schedule in our time zone (except for El Paso). Now pop another one.

TCU couldn't go undefeated in CUSA or the WAC. First year in the MWC they sweep it.

The next best team last year in the MWC was 6-5 Utah.

Actually, no they wern't...

[GoRedGoBlue]

TCU does better in the MWC than they did in CUSA. Even without Louisville, the CUSA is a good mid-level conference and matches up with the MWC fairly well. Besides, we want a schedule in our time zone (except for El Paso). Now pop another one.

TCU couldn't go undefeated in CUSA or the WAC. First year in the MWC they sweep it.

The next best team last year in the MWC was 6-5 Utah.

Actually, no they wern't...

Did I stutter? Check the radar range Froggie

BYU tied CSU for 2nd in the MWC, 6-5 and both lost their bowl games = 6-6
UTAH finished 4th and won their bowl game, 7-5

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/confstand ... &year=2005
Standings Conference Overall
TCU 11-1 (8-0 Conf)
Brigham Young 6-6 (5-3 Conf)
Colorado State 6-6 (5-3 Conf)
Utah 7-5 (4-Conf)
New Mexico 6-5 (4-4 Conf)
San Diego State 5-7
Air Force 4-7
Wyoming 4-7
UNLV 2-9

[originaloverthehilltop1]

1) answer to question, why arnt we on a par with tcu?:

dp, kenneth pye with help (pure academic, no competitive concept-or interest.)

2)calallen is right. and to whichever one of you is running down cusa when we are still not yet competitive in it--dumb. we got no right trashing cusa until we dominate. its where we are. lets get on with it. here. now.

[deepellumfrog]

Let's jump into bed with six schools that have hosed us in the past, TCU, Wyoming, BYU, AFA, Utah, CSU that sounds like a wonderful idea. And while we're at it, the Big XII would even be nicer where we can hang out with classier whores.

When has TCU hosed you in the past?

[Sam I Am]

TCU was dumped by the MWC gang of 8 just like SMU and Rice. When TCU moved to the CUSA, SMU tried to go too, but couldn't. Going to the MWC would not be in SMU's interests, but it would have been flattering to have been asked. The MWC and CUSA have as much right to be included in the BCS as the Big East. Now that the NCAA cartel has thrown the
non-BCS schools a crumb with the four plus one bowl scheme, I doubt that that any conference will break into the CLUB without an anti-trust law suit. Either Katrina has diverted the Tulane president from cracking open the bowl aleignments, or he has given up hope of changing things. Either way, you go your way (TCU)and we (SMU) have gone ours. We'll meet again in 2007. Get ready to rumble.

[EastStang]

SMU and TCU had a gentlemen's agreement that they would stay together in a conference. When CUSA came calling for TCU, she ran there from the WAC after SMU had fought to get TCU included in the WAC-16. Then when CUSA lost teams to the BE, SMU got invited to join and what did the Froggies do, run west to join the Billy Goats because they "no longer wanted to be in the same conference with SMU". TCU has been in more conferences than any team in Division 1-A. (SWC, WAC-16, WAC-9, CUSA, MWC). There are only two mid-major conferences left, the MAC and the SBC and of course Independent.

[deepellumfrog]

SMU and TCU had a gentlemen's agreement that they would stay together in a conference. When CUSA came calling for TCU, she ran there from the WAC after SMU had fought to get TCU included in the WAC-16. Then when CUSA lost teams to the BE, SMU got invited to join and what did the Froggies do, run west to join the Billy Goats because they "no longer wanted to be in the same conference with SMU". TCU has been in more conferences than any team in Division 1-A. (SWC, WAC-16, WAC-9, CUSA, MWC). There are only two mid-major conferences left, the MAC and the SBC and of course Independent.

Where do you get this information? We had no agreement regarding conferences alignment, and when we did go to the MWC, it was to align ourselves with some large western state schools,because of competition level, and so that when/if the anti-trust action comes about, we have advocates in the government. I think you have an inflated sense of the part that SMU played in this. It wasn't your joining the conference that made the move west a better option, it was the loss of Louisville and Cincy, along with all the hoops schools.

[EastStang]

I have to give you props there, putting the words "TCU and hoops" in the same paragraph. But hey, MWC gives you a great basketball conference no doubt. How many number 1 regional seeds did the MWC have last year in the NCAA tournament? None. How many were from CUSA? One. That's showing forward thinking. How many National Championships came from the MWC (1). How many from CUSA? (1). How many NCAA semi-finalists MWC (2), CUSA (4). Yep, that's great justification for leaving. Sounds like you stepped backward to me and your team has to play at altitude. Long term, I'll ride with Memphis, Tulsa, UH, UTEP and UAB.

[Water Pony]

My take on this 'argument' is that TCU will regret all their moves; but I understand why they felt they needed to do something.

TCU has done a nice job of emphasizing football in the last half dozen years while benefiting from our weakness and that of the WAC. But, acting unilateral and a doing it at the expense of their fans, parents, non-revenue sports, etc. is short-sighted. Their fans/parents won't be able to see them as much, when all their 'away' games/matches/meets, etc. are in MT or PT.

Winning the MWC is nice, but what happens when their FB is average? The benefit of winning a conference for a non-BCS school is the same whether you are MWC, CUSA, WAC, MAC or Sunbelt. There will be no more BCS conferences added and, except for WVA and maybe Louisville, BE doesn't deserve an automatic bid.

TCU hubris is earned, but their situation (point in time) is not sustainable. The Frogs leaped, when they didn't need to and will regret it.

We shouldn't be surprised, since TCU, Louisville and Cinncinnati all had good timing when the conferences realigned. We certainly didn't earn it. But, we should be less focused on their short term success and more focused on the Mustangs winning CUSA.

We now stand to be in a much better situation in FB, BB and non-revenue sports. We get a regional/TX conference for all sports and also get to travel to Memphis, New Orleans and Orlando. Not bad! Good for recruiting too.

So, TCU gets ahead of itself and SMU needs to dominate the CUSA. Let's control what we can. Can you imagine their sorrow, when they play .500 FB, struggle in BB and watch us excel? We need to make it happen, but it's a great thought.

[davish75]

TCU was very impressive against Baylor.

Did you notice that TCU was the more fit team but its coach needs to lose weight and eat better while Baylor was less fit as a team but their coach appears very fit for his age?

The advantage MWC has over CUSA is more state schools and larger fan support.

[deepellumfrog]

My take on this 'argument' is that TCU will regret all their moves; but I understand why they felt they needed to do something.

TCU has done a nice job of emphasizing football in the last half dozen years while benefiting from our weakness and that of the WAC. But, acting unilateral and a doing it at the expense of their fans, parents, non-revenue sports, etc. is short-sighted. Their fans/parents won't be able to see them as much, when all their 'away' games/matches/meets, etc. are in MT or PT.

Winning the MWC is nice, but what happens when their FB is average? The benefit of winning a conference for a non-BCS school is the same whether you are MWC, CUSA, WAC, MAC or Sunbelt. There will be no more BCS conferences added and, except for WVA and maybe Louisville, BE doesn't deserve an automatic bid.

TCU hubris is earned, but their situation (point in time) is not sustainable. The Frogs leaped, when they didn't need to and will regret it.

We shouldn't be surprised, since TCU, Louisville and Cinncinnati all had good timing when the conferences realigned. We certainly didn't earn it. But, we should be less focused on their short term success and more focused on the Mustangs winning CUSA.

We now stand to be in a much better situation in FB, BB and non-revenue sports. We get a regional/TX conference for all sports and also get to travel to Memphis, New Orleans and Orlando. Not bad! Good for recruiting too.

So, TCU gets ahead of itself and SMU needs to dominate the CUSA. Let's control what we can. Can you imagine their sorrow, when they play .500 FB, struggle in BB and watch us excel? We need to make it happen, but it's a great thought.

That was a chance we thought might pay off in the long run. We'll see if it works out in the next 10 years or so.

[regis]

tcu in the MWC makes about as much sense as tcu on the moon. But you really can't blame them. From 1960-1997, they had exactly 6 winning seasons and 3 bowl appearances. (Over the same time frame, we had 13 winning seasons and 8 bowl appearances). All that losing makes you crazy...we should know.

Enter Fran. They overachieve and make a bowl game. They get LT and enjoy some moderate sustained success for the first time since the 50s. The WAC breaks up, we bring them to the CUSA bargaining table, and drunk with success, they screw us. The rest is history.

They've been whoring themselves out during a brief period of football success, virtually neglecting thier other sports. And to this point, they've been lucky. See whats-his-face's fumble at BYU last year. Yes froggies, it was a fumble.

Just like the poor man who wins the lottery and had no idea how to handle money, tcu has no idea how to handle success. They are not Notre Dame, not matter how much they think they are.

And just like that poor man after he loses all of his money, so too will the froggies be back where they started from....back where they belong.