SMU menitoned in graphic in ACC title game

[bigdaddy08091]

The problem is that you do not understand that the DP was not just for paying players. It was for doing so with the knowledge of the Adminisrtration, The Board of Regents, and The Governor of the State of Texas. And more so after having been caught, pled gulity and promising to stop, continued with the blessings of all of those above. Now either give us evidence that is happening elsewhere or stop this belly aching over "everyone does it" because everyone does not so that. This is an oh so ridiculous arguement that does nothing but flame the stereotype of SMU as cheaters.

Take the blinders off. Have I seen money exchange hands, of course not? Who has seen it. This is why they do not get caught. I promise you at those other universities, the admin, board of regents and anybody else of importance knows, but the money for winning games and going to BCS bowl games is too huge to stop it! We have kids in school on full rides across the country whose parents make 50k to 60k a year together, and the kid is driving an Escalade, living in a appartment off campus that makes mine and your house look like a rats nest. C'mon man. Keep it real? It is bigger than the both of us and bigger than college football! It is all about the money! Where SMU screwed up was getting the politics involved. It was election time my friend?

Please read my post before you make the same whiney response. Of course there is, was, and will be cheating going on. I saw players at SMU get money in the 60's and 70's. I played with high school players that were subsequently paid at the University of Arkansas. I am sure a lot goes on still today and I would not be surprised if some does not go on at SMU. The difference is the fact it was accepted at SMU openly by the Administration, and the Board of Regents, and the coaching staff. When confronted, they apologized, said they would take care of it and then went on and continued what they were doing. They became beligerent with the NCAA and threatened to sue them and fought them all the way. Guess what. SMU lost. I have not seen a single reference on this board or anywhere else that outlines similar activity at any other school. Not to mention, at the time this was going on, SMU was already the most penalized team in the history of the NCAA. Please quit blaming our inefficiencies on the death penalty. It is a cop out and holds no sense of common reason. We changed our standards of operation to a manner that did not allow us to be competitive, and then because we were not competitive, we were left out of the BCS shuffle. Now we are on the outside looking in and have a long way to go to get any semblance of dignity back into the program.

Again, yes others cheat, yes SMU did cheat (and maybe some is going on we do not know about), but the comparision of any UT athlete getting money today, yesterday, or tomorrow with the DP violations is just senseless.

Now, that was better than your previous post. I knew I could get it out of you. If we are paying players at SMU now, its Whataburger money not Escalade money. We are not paying players and nor should we. But we have to compare ourselves to everyone else, because I THINK we would like to compete at that level SOMEDAY, if not, we might as well cut and paste this post for years to come?? If you live in Rome do as the Romans? PB coached at that level at several schools. he knows what is going on. And I am sorry that the folks on the hilltop during the DP era were so arrogant that they felt like they could do whatever they wanted to do, instead of shutting their mouths and leaving the politics out of it. read your first post before getting angry, angry man!! Keeping it real?? Everyone who gets caught now confesses and implements their own penalties? The only sterotype SMU has now has nothing to do with the DP, it is the sterotype of loosing. Everyone else but us old folks have no clue???? Kids coming out of HS just want to win baby!!

[giacfsp]

Yeah, but on a positive note, Cedric Benson was quoted recently as saying he's not starting in Chicago because the coaches "don't want to play the best players." I'm sure Thomas Jones laughed at his newfound job security, and I'd assume Lovie Smith had a field day with that comment at Benson's expense.

Sounds to me like Benson didn't take a lot of public speaking classes at UT!

[bigdaddy08091]

Yeah, but on a positive note, Cedric Benson was quoted recently as saying he's not starting in Chicago because the coaches "don't want to play the best players." I'm sure Thomas Jones laughed at his newfound job security, and I'd assume Lovie Smith had a field day with that comment at Benson's expense.

Sounds to me like Benson didn't take a lot of public speaking classes at UT!

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He played today and played well. Speaking classes, I do not know, but just shut up and play. No plitics in the NFL, just win baby!!

[ponyte]

The issue isn't whether schools are paying players; the issue is who is controlling the paying. The NCAA has admitted that it doesn't have the staff to police the schools that are NCAA members. So, the NCAA set up a program where schools 'police' themselves and then report and self sanction. Thus, U of Arkansas can claim 'self caught' several times over the last decade and 'self impose' penalties with the blessing of the NCAA and 'nothing further' happens. The only truth is that nothing further occurs. Arkansas can claim it is ‘policing’ itself and the NCAA can say, “See, it is working” and the same infractions continue just as they did in the good ole days.

The NCAA's idea that schools can self-police themselves is similar to the FBI allowing the Mafia to 'self police' its crimes.

SMU got caught when the NCAA took its role as police and enforcement seriously. Now the NCAA takes the role with a nod and wink and allows schools to do whatever so long as they report something and do something symbolic.

[bigdaddy08091]

The issue isn't whether schools are paying players; the issue is who is controlling the paying. The NCAA has admitted that it doesn't have the staff to police the schools that are NCAA members. So, the NCAA set up a program where schools 'police' themselves and then report and self sanction. Thus, U of Arkansas can claim 'self caught' several times over the last decade and 'self impose' penalties with the blessing of the NCAA and 'nothing further' happens. The only truth is that nothing further occurs. Arkansas can claim it is ‘policing’ itself and the NCAA can say, “See, it is working” and the same infractions continue just as they did in the good ole days.

The NCAA's idea that schools can self-police themselves is similar to the FBI allowing the Mafia to 'self police' its crimes.

SMU got caught when the NCAA took its role as police and enforcement seriously. Now the NCAA takes the role with a nod and wink and allows schools to do whatever so long as they report something and do something symbolic.

I understand, but they were taking it serious with everyone and SMU was not the only school doing what they were doing. I know I keep saying everyone is doing it, but what I want everyone to understand is that we did something different during the DP days and continue to do something different now? What is it? I think it is the institutional control of the admin. This is going to sound strange, but BIG TIME ATHLETICS and college institutions are a seperate entity. SMU combines the two and that does not work. Do not get me wrong athletes are students, but their student life needs to be controled by the athletic department not the institution. Check the big name schools, they have positions in place for this, we have Hyatt, who only makes sure PLAYERS go to school??

[Stallion]

the NCAA has never investigated seriously. THE DMN(Belo)/Dallas Times Herald are personally responsible for probations at SMU(3), OU, OSU, Tech, Texas, A&M, UH, Baylor et al. None of those stories were broken by the NCAA. Now somepne may be somewhat accurate in arguing that SMU was unfairly targeting by the Dallas newmedia but not the NCAA. Is there a newspaper in Arkansas or Oklahoma or Alabama with the ethical integrity to turn State U in? The Dallas newsmedia is something SMU has to live with-and in their defense they went after just about every school in Texas. I'm pretty sure they are out of that game today.

[bigdaddy08091]

the NCAA has never investigated seriously. THE DMN(Belo)/Dallas Times Herald are personally responsible for probations at SMU(3), OU, OSU, Tech, Texas, A&M, UH, Baylor et al. None of those stories were broken by the NCAA. Now somepne may be somewhat accurate in arguing that SMU was unfairly targeting by the Dallas newmedia but not the NCAA. Is there a newspaper in Arkansas or Oklahoma or Alabama with the ethical integrity to turn State U in? The Dallas newsmedia is something SMU has to live with-and in their defense they went after just about every school in Texas. I'm pretty sure they are out of that game today.

There was a snitch involved and it had to do with the governor of Texas being involved. It was election time and this was the black eye needed to derail the old gov. during the DP days. Keep the politics out of football. It is only football. Politics and institutional control have no place in college sports, but the money is so big everyone wants a hand in it.

[Stallion]

actually the decision to continue making payments to the Payroll was made by Bill Clements during the year or so prior to the election? Players wanted to be paid as SMU supporters had agreed and threats were made if they were not continued. The revealations that Bill Clements had authorized the continued payments to players was actually made by Bill Clements himself in a very off-the-cuff discussion with a reporter on INAGURATION Day -of course by that time Channel 8 had already revealed the continued cheating I believe about 1-2 weeks after the Govenors election. 1+1=?. SMU was thrown under the bus to keep quiet until after the Govenors Election.

[bigdaddy08091]

actually the decision to continue making payments to the Payroll was made by Bill Clements during the year or so prior to the election? Players wanted to be paid as SMU supporters had agreed and threats were made if they were not continued. The revealations that Bill Clements had authorized the continued payments to players was actually made by Bill Clements himself in a very off-the-cuff discussion with a reporter on INAGURATION Day -of course by that time Channel 8 had already revealed the continued cheating I believe about 1-2 weeks after the Govenors election. 1+1=?. SMU was thrown under the bus to keep quiet until after the Govenors Election.

This is the continued [deleted] that continues to plague the football program and will continue to be the problem until someone steps up. At this point in time, nobody gives a [deleted] about SMU football but SMU? We need to slowly creep back into the picture?

[PK]

We need to slowly creep back into the picture?

Why slowly?

[bigdaddy08091]

We need to slowly creep back into the picture?

Why slowly?

Doing it any faster would raise too many suspisions?