Colbert Report takes on Bush Library opponents

[jtstang]

That's not true at all. This is a small group of ultra left wing clergy who are getting press only because they pander to the pet causes of the liberal media elite. The overwhelming majority of methodists care a lot about morals.

Raise your hand if you are Methodist and think it is completely moral to send Americans to die in a third world country under the auspices of the presence of WMD's there when the evidence, to which only you are privy when the decision to go to war is made, suggests that might not be the case. I think the Methodist clergy who oppose the war and the library at SMU at least have a cognizable point which cannot be dismissed as easily as some on this site wish. That said, personally I haven't really cared whether the Dubya bookmobile comes to SMU or not up to this point. But everyone thinks it will help the university to have it, so I guess I will be a good sheep and say I am for it.

[EastStang]

I sense the delete ax falling. In the past four years more than twice the number of people have been killed in Texas by drunk drivers than Americans killed in Iraq. How many Methodist ministers have publicly petitioned to toughen Texas drunk driving laws? Its amazing to me that this few a number of soliders have died. Except for 2003, we've averaged about 835 deaths per year in Iraq. Remember for every terrorist nut job out there, the opportunity to kill Americans is a pretty alluring target. All military deaths are tragic, but these are volunteers who knew the deal when they signed up and most of them are doing what they enjoy doing.

[jtstang]

I sense the delete ax falling. In the past four years more than twice the number of people have been killed in Texas by drunk drivers than Americans killed in Iraq. How many Methodist ministers have publicly petitioned to toughen Texas drunk driving laws? Its amazing to me that this few a number of soliders have died. Except for 2003, we've averaged about 835 deaths per year in Iraq. Remember for every terrorist nut job out there, the opportunity to kill Americans is a pretty alluring target. All military deaths are tragic, but these are volunteers who knew the deal when they signed up and most of them are doing what they enjoy doing.

Please, nobody is proposing to put the Texas Drunk Driving Library at SMU. As for the "few" casualties observation, I take it from that response that you DO believe it's moral to send them die under a pretense because they are volunteers.

Again, I do not think your arguments warrant a wholesale dismissal of the dissenting clergy's position.

[ponyboy]

Raise your hand if you are Methodist and think it is completely moral to send Americans to die in a third world country under the auspices of the presence of WMD's

We all seem to have conveniently forgotten that the belief in WMDs was shared by those on both sides of the aisle. The level to which we have sunk in what used to be called political discourse is due almost entirely to the surrender monkey, cut and run political opportunists who have abandoned our president and our country.

As a fiscal conservative and social libertarian, I have plenty of beef with the current president. But staying the course in Iraq is clearly the right thing to do. It's a shame we have to fight abroad AND at home.

[jtstang]

But staying the course in Iraq is clearly the right thing to do.

That's a different topic and one on which we agree, at least in principle.

But the other side of the aisle got their information on WMDs from the same place the American public got their's, the White House.

[mrydel]

And that same info came from the Clinton White House prior to the Bush White House. And Senator Clinton voted for the action and she had more inside information on what was going on in Iraq than anyone else in the loop.

[BrianTinBigD]

SMU is only a last minute name change in 1911 when the catholics decided to steal the University of Dallas and put it in Irving. We are at least a university, but SMU is hardly in the South and hardly Methodist. Maybe we could go with Somewhat Methodist University.

[jtstang]

SMU is only a last minute name change in 1911 when the catholics decided to steal the University of Dallas and put it in Irving.

The catholics were probably drunk when that happened. At least I was. Stealing is one of the top ten "thou shalt nots".

[H-E-B Mustang]

And that same info came from the Clinton White House prior to the Bush White House. And Senator Clinton voted for the action and she had more inside information on what was going on in Iraq than anyone else in the loop.

Once again, that tired old excuse, "It's all Clinton's fault." Give it a rest.

[mrydel]

And that same info came from the Clinton White House prior to the Bush White House. And Senator Clinton voted for the action and she had more inside information on what was going on in Iraq than anyone else in the loop.

Once again, that tired old excuse, "It's all Clinton's fault." Give it a rest.

Grow up and read the post. All I said was that previous administrations had the same info as did Bush.

[ponyboy]

Don't force reality on those who live and breathe a Bush hating fantasy. It's a remarkable and contagious feeding frenzy with very serious and regrettable consequences for future political relations between these ever increasingly polarized political parties.

I think the timing of this is the saddest thing. Unfortunately that's what you get from a party who believes in it heart of hearts that no means is out of the question as long as the appropriate end is reached.

[abezontar]

Unfortunately that's what you get from a party who believes in it heart of hearts that no means is out of the question as long as the appropriate end is reached.

Interesting......explain.

[jtstang]

ponyboy, I know this will perpetuate your perception that I'm dumber than a box of rocks, but I did not understand any of that, particularly how it is relevant to what the protesting Methodist clergy has said.

[Longtime]

Re: Grow up and read the post. All I said was that previous administrations had the same info as did Bush.

Um, I am a grown-up. And the previous administration, whatever info it had, did NOT invade Iraq. Is your point that the Clinton administration was smarter than the Bush II group by not invading a country that wasn't a real threat to us?

Iraq is a huge, bloody mess and it's all on Bush II's hands. No amount of spin can change that. But I still want his library at SMU.

[mrydel]

I am not getting into an argument about what Clinton should have done and what Bush should not have done. But life did exist, as did terrorism against the US before Bush II took office. I guess the loss of lives in those instances do not count. No spin just fact.

PS: If anyone cares, which you should not, I have changed my screen name to protect the innocent, which in this case is me. (This has nothing to do with ponyfans, strickly personal.)