Big Ten Expansion? CUSA Impact?

[PhirePhilBennett]

well in that case, if the Big Ten pulls from the Big XII NORTH then it would be a matter of finding a spot for a team in the NORTH and not the South...so I find it hard for a Texas school being added to the Big XII if a team like Mizzou moved to the BT.

I would guess that Colorado State would get the spot. Sure CSU is not the biggest or most talked about school in the Nation but they do have a strong in-state rivalry with CU.

Actually, I could see a scenario where TCU was added to the south and OU was moved to the North division to give it more strength. Not saying they'd do that, but I could imagine it.

No chance they split up OU/UT or OU/ OSU. By moving OU to the north it would cause those games to not be played every year. The only team that has a chance to move from the South to the North would be Baylor. I guarantee that the Big 12 North will have no part of that. If the Big Ten takes a team from the Big 12 I believe that it will be Iowa State because geographically it makes sense and they already have a annual rivalry with Iowa. If that happens, the Big 12 North will add either Colorado State or Boise State.

Simply not true.

They could do permanent cross-over games like the SEC rather than the CUSA/B12 formula of 3+3 home and home, then rotate...

do you SERIOUSLY believe that OU-Nebraska wasn't a BIGGER game that OU-OSU (and they broke that up)?

[PhirePhilBennett]

I think a conference looks at the future assets of a prospective school, not their won-loss records in recent years.

For the Big Ten, SMU makes a lot of sense because SMU would suddenly become a hot commodity in a huge, new market area. An added benefit would be that SMU would become a real rival to Texas and Tx A&M for local recruits depleting their chances to win a national championship. That's why a those schools would be against another Texas school for the Big 12.

In addition, SMU would not be a recruiting rival to Ohio State, etc. A final positive factor is that Northwestern needs to have another private school in the league.

Please, put your crack pipe down. Why would ANY team want to travel across the country to play in the days of Title IX?

IT is simply KILLING TcU to have NO close games, and it is killing BU to have to play all of their crew and women's cricket game via chartered air to Miami and UVa...etc.

None of those Big10 teams are going to want to travel to Dallas.

[PhirePhilBennett]

Wait, wait, wait. It was my understanding that the SEC and the Big XII were the two most profitable conferences last year. If true, why the hell would Mizzou leave the Big XII for the Big 10? Maybe it was a one-year anomaly, but that would be a major move for what I would think would amount to only a few bucks more a year. But I could be wrong.

Besides, Mizzou has their rival in Kansas in their current conference and they have many of their 'other' rival schools in that conference as well. I just don't see much incentive for them to leave, unless of course I'm wrong about the conference revenue totals.

Because Mizzou could actual win the B10 easier than the B12.

See the B10 frauds get blown out in the bowls last year...

And Wisconsin ends up #5? Out of conference record: 4-0. None of their OOC team had a winning record. In conference opponents' win-loss record was also horrible. They didn't have to play every team in their confernece (the only good team they played beat them).

[PhirePhilBennett]

Boise - would be dumb... one year of success does not equate to increased value.

Actually, BSU has been winning for quite awhile. http://cfreference.net/cfr/show/1078

Boise is perhaps the most winning program of the past 5-6 years (albeit not exactly B12).

They are akin to Southlake Carroll moving from 2a, to 3a to 4a to 5a...and winning EVERYWHERE they've been.

[J.T.supporta]

1. I highly doubt TCU will be joining CUSA again. There big concern is BCS spotlight and BCS money. They wont "move down" a conference in their mind.

2. In-state rivalries are way more important than out of state rivalries. THEY WOULD NEVER split up that OU-OSU rivalry....although i do agree that the OU-UN game was a bigger national game to watch.

3. Missouri was talked about being taken by the BT on College Game Day Live but I see ISU as more of a shot to be taken.

4. Memphis is no where near the big xii schools, so that is not a possibility in my opinion.

No matter how many conference games a school has to play that has 2 different divisions, they must play all the teams in there division so it would be extremely hard to keep some rivalries going if a B12 South school was sent to the North.

[mr. pony]

Why not SMU?

We bring not only Dallas, but Texas to be part of their conference. We would have massive crowds and be able to be competitive with Big 12 school for players.

If only we still had Lamar Hunt to lead such an effort.

SMU should get back into a big conference the first chance it gets.

Sure, we'd get rolled the first few years, but attendance would explode and, soon, players would follow.

[jtstang]

Sure, we'd get rolled the first few years, but attendance would explode and, soon, players would follow.

Kinda like we experienced in our first few years in the WAC and CUSA? Oops, wait a minute....

[PhirePhilBennett]

1. I highly doubt TCU will be joining CUSA again. There big concern is BCS spotlight and BCS money. They wont "move down" a conference in their mind.

2. In-state rivalries are way more important than out of state rivalries. THEY WOULD NEVER split up that OU-OSU rivalry....although i do agree that the OU-UN game was a bigger national game to watch.

3. Missouri was talked about being taken by the BT on College Game Day Live but I see ISU as more of a shot to be taken.

4. Memphis is no where near the big xii schools, so that is not a possibility in my opinion.

No matter how many conference games a school has to play that has 2 different divisions, they must play all the teams in there division so it would be extremely hard to keep some rivalries going if a B12 South school was sent to the North.

1. TCU regrets their move already. No where for their fans to travel. No real tv exposure east of El Paso. And they haven't made any more money, and they haven't gotten any closer to the BCS by being in that conference. CUSA with TCU would be a better conference (I say they come back if Tulane drops out).

2. In state rivalries: Miami-Florida, Miami-Florida State, Florisa State-Miami -- they had no problem splitting up those rivalries. You are just too young to remember the uproar about splitting Nebraska-OU...that rivaled Texas-OU. Ask an OU which game is bigger, they will tell you the UNeb-OU. Ask Texas whether the aggie game or the OU game is better, they will say OU. It's a bigger game, period.

3. ISU or Missouri would be good ones for B10, but so could Nebraska (geographically). B10 has the academic high horse, recall, and that is why Missouri is the favorite from the B12 North.

4. I only mean that Memphis is the most ideal team FROM CUSA...remember, it is in the mid-continent and has a great basketball presence as well. Houston and Dallas simply don't offer much over what the B12 already gets anyway (all the alums who alread live here watch tv). And there's no way they'd take Tulsa, UTEP, Tulane - so that leaves Memphis.


You heard it here first: S.Miss and Aggies to SEC if there is a big shift...

[PhirePhilBennett]

Why not SMU?

We bring not only Dallas, but Texas to be part of their conference. We would have massive crowds and be able to be competitive with Big 12 school for players.

If only we still had Lamar Hunt to lead such an effort.

SMU should get back into a big conference the first chance it gets.

Sure, we'd get rolled the first few years, but attendance would explode and, soon, players would follow.

I agree. I'd take it. But our stadium is not a selling point to B10, B12, SEC teams.

You all could make the same arguments to get SMU into SEC...Vandy needs another private...if SEC expands and grabs the Aggies or somesuch. THey could make it two 7-team division (6 divisional games, 2 crossovers) and geographically split the SEC where the old rivals from the original SEC were back in the same division (and the West would have the new Ark, Aggie, Smiss (or SMU)) and it would be swell. But it's not likely to happen for SMU (B10, SEC).

The only chance is B12...and for that to happen, something bad's gotta happen - like Missouri to B10...then B12 goes shopping...do they really want another private celler dweller? Would Tech and OSU reallly want to take TCU (and lose)? Who knows. But if Missouri left, Colorado might seriously think about going West to Pac10 and then the dominos fly yet again.

Watch MWC get invaded and lose BYU and/or UTAH to PAC10, then MWC has to get the Best of the WAC and maybe UTep - the end results...

... TCU plays in a 10-team WAC turned MWC conference including Boise State, UTEP, Fresno...without UTAH and BYU...exactly what they LEFT (and not even as good) when they joined CUSA 9 years ago.

Which is YET another reason why TCU will regret their MWC move.

[PhirePhilBennett]

MWC Expansion

Let's say that MWC adds Boise State and two others: probably in this order

1. Fresno
2. Nevada (traveling paid with UNLV, in-state rivalry)

then
3. UTEP again (though UTEP likes the Easterly TV exposure that TCU is missing today)
4. A 'renewed' San Jose State?

So, in the end...TCU could be playing in a 12-team league that is the old WAC. Now, with Boise State and Fresno, that is starting to look like a LEGITIMATE conference, and I would take the top7 from that 12-team league over the BigEast.

But, is TCU going to go undefeated EVER in that conference and get a BCS big? Not likely with all that travel (a killer) and the mountain air issues...

[35straight]

Here is a great idea for a conference. The old SWC with Ark thrown out.

BigTex Conference

Baylor 4-8
Houston (Liberty Bowl) 10-4
Rice (New Orleans Bowl) 7-6
SMU 6-6
Texas (Alomo Bowl Champs) 10-3
Texas A&M (Holiday Bowl 2006) 9-4
TCU (Poinsetta Bowl Champs 2006) 11-2
Texas Tech (Insight Bowl Champs 2006) 8-5

Why not? 6 out of 8 teams to a bowl isnt bad.

[J.T.supporta]

You mite as well throw in UTEP and NTSU in that BigTex Conference mix.

I think all the conferences need to get together and work on a equal realignment of teams in different conferences.

If they, the coaches/conferences, want a playoff in CFB, then I think the best way is to have it were all of the major conferences have atleast 12 teams, play 9 conference games, then play a championship game in their conference and the winners of each conference championship move into the so called playoff format that might be in by 2011.

However none of this will happen because, none of the conferences can agree on who gets what share of the monies.

[jtstang]

Ark was already out by the time the SWC disbanded. I think that is just the old SWC.

[35straight]

You mite as well throw in UTEP and NTSU in that BigTex Conference mix.

I think all the conferences need to get together and work on a equal realignment of teams in different conferences.

If they, the coaches/conferences, want a playoff in CFB, then I think the best way is to have it were all of the major conferences have atleast 12 teams, play 9 conference games, then play a championship game in their conference and the winners of each conference championship move into the so called playoff format that might be in by 2011.

However none of this will happen because, none of the conferences can agree on who gets what share of the monies.

Damn. Sorry, I just completely forgot about those two teams. You understand. But yes, we should include those two teams.

[CA Mustang]

Sure, we'd get rolled the first few years, but attendance would explode and, soon, players would follow.

Kinda like we experienced in our first few years in the WAC and CUSA?

Do you consider CUSA and WAC big conferences?