Hypothetical Question

[bigdaddy08091]

Just trying to make the same point I have been trying to make all along. Do I know the answer, no.

Them why do you think this "foundation" you speak of begins with keeping Bennett after six years of futility?

Because we have tried changing coaches for 20 year. When do we do something different?

[cguru]

the biggest reason that SMU isn't getting the recruits is because there is no degree offered that will allow them to get into coaching. most of the top athletes love the sport they play, and if they are unable to play at the next level, they would still like to be associated with it in one way or another. it has nothing to do with being able to get into SMU. if TCU and SMU offered a scholarship to the same player, and TCU has the degree plan that the 18-year-old thinks he wants to do, where do you think he is going to go? even Rice has a degree plan for being in athletics, but make no mistake, the courses are not easy.

[jtstang]

if TCU and SMU offered a scholarship to the same player, and TCU has the degree plan that the 18-year-old thinks he wants to do, where do you think he is going to go?

And if SMU had the same degree program starting tomorrow, then the next criteria or the next or the next is going to be which program gives the recruit a better chance to win, and that's where the coach at TCU wins anyway. Unfortunately, in addition to the new degree program, we need somebody who is not associated with losing delivering the message.

[cguru]

jstang, i agree. i have to believe that they know which players they have a chance at landing and which ones they do not. If a kid has a chance to go to UT, A&M, OU, or LSU, why wouldn't they go to those schools? PB (or whoever the coach is) needs to out-recruit Tech, Baylor, TCU, Arkansas, et al.

[jtstang]

Just trying to make the same point I have been trying to make all along. Do I know the answer, no.

Them why do you think this "foundation" you speak of begins with keeping Bennett after six years of futility?

Because we have tried changing coaches for 20 year. When do we do something different?

Like? And please don't say fire the administration again, we both know the coach always goes first.

[mrydel]

So what bigdaddy is saying is that we should keep the coach, keep things as they are and expect different results. Maybe he needs to read his own posts.

[SMU Football Blog]

Cavan was fired on Sunday, November 18th, 2001; announced on Monday, November 19, 2001. Phil Bennett was hired December 4, 2001; announced on December 5, 2001.

That is 16 days. Man, it seemed like it took a lot longer than that.

[Caballo]

Cavan was fired on Sunday, November 18th, 2001; announced on Monday, November 19, 2001. Phil Bennett was hired December 4, 2001; announced on December 5, 2001.

That is 16 days. Man, it seemed like it took a lot longer than that.

As I am getting old and my brain is engaged in other areas, is there a list somewhere of who was interviewed during the last changing of the guard?

[MrMustang1965]

Cavan was fired on Sunday, November 18th, 2001; announced on Monday, November 19, 2001. Phil Bennett was hired December 4, 2001; announced on December 5, 2001.

That is 16 days. Man, it seemed like it took a lot longer than that.

As I am getting old and my brain is engaged in other areas, is there a list somewhere of who was interviewed during the last changing of the guard?

Well...one of them was former Dallas Cowboy Charlie Waters. That's a fact.

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[bigdaddy08091]

Just trying to make the same point I have been trying to make all along. Do I know the answer, no.

Them why do you think this "foundation" you speak of begins with keeping Bennett after six years of futility?

Because we have tried changing coaches for 20 year. When do we do something different?

Like? And please don't say fire the administration again, we both know the coach always goes first.

jtstang,

Fire the admin is just a figure of speech, but that is where it starts. If we do not make changes in how we operate our athletic programs, in regards to admission, we will be posting this BS for years to come. Give PB complete control of the football program and the money to run it. PB has the knowledge of the game, regulations, and he can be trusted to do the right thing. Stop using the HC as a scapegoat for instutional failure. I can plenty more regarding the board of regents, some of you and the entire Dallas community, who do not even know we exist. You think this is because of PB? This is an institutional program!

[bigdaddy08091]

So do smart guys just not play football? Or if they do, do they just go places other than SMU?

Yeeeees!

[bigdaddy08091]

I blush. No one ever called me a legend before. Merely great, stupendous, and my wife thinks I am cute. But yes, you are correct. I had mentioned this to you in a post before but I was afraid to say it again or you might think I was insane.

You are insane and I can't remember what I had for lunch. (:

[Statler]

Darth has a hypothetical....


If they would put the moon rocks back, would everything be ok?

[jtstang]

jtstang,

Fire the admin is just a figure of speech, but that is where it starts. If we do not make changes in how we operate our athletic programs, in regards to admission, we will be posting this BS for years to come. Give PB complete control of the football program and the money to run it. PB has the knowledge of the game, regulations, and he can be trusted to do the right thing. Stop using the HC as a scapegoat for instutional failure. I can plenty more regarding the board of regents, some of you and the entire Dallas community, who do not even know we exist. You think this is because of PB? This is an institutional program!

I really don't think you are following me. I agree with you that the admissions changes must be made, and I don't blame Bennett for them. But if you changed them all tomorrow he still could not get the players to turn this team around because of his stigma as the coach of a loser, and therefore must go for the program to come back. Now disagree with me if you want to, but don't misinterpret what I am saying. This is not Phil Bennett's fault completely, but he still must go.

[BRStang]

jtstang,

Fire the admin is just a figure of speech, but that is where it starts. If we do not make changes in how we operate our athletic programs, in regards to admission, we will be posting this BS for years to come. Give PB complete control of the football program and the money to run it. PB has the knowledge of the game, regulations, and he can be trusted to do the right thing. Stop using the HC as a scapegoat for instutional failure. I can plenty more regarding the board of regents, some of you and the entire Dallas community, who do not even know we exist. You think this is because of PB? This is an institutional program!

I really don't think you are following me. I agree with you that the admissions changes must be made, and I don't blame Bennett for them. But if you changed them all tomorrow he still could not get the players to turn this team around because of his stigma as the coach of a loser, and therefore must go for the program to come back. Now disagree with me if you want to, but don't misinterpret what I am saying. This is not Phil Bennett's fault completely, but he still must go.

I agree with everything jtstang has said in this thread, although I believe Bennett gets 90% of the blame for the last 6 years of sub-mediocrity. And I still have not seen the hard evidence that SMU somehow prohibits kids from getting in that could get admitted to places like TCU or BYU, other than not having a p.e.-type major for JUCOs who are already in that type of program.