BARTEL IS GONE

[MizterTea]

Originally posted by Nacho:
I said I was leaving after football season. I wouldn't miss this for anything. It's just now geting really good.

no you didn't sucka !!

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I pity the foo' that trys to change his story

[Prof X]

Originally posted by FloridaMustang:
Tulsa recruits JUCOS, and recruits them well. 8 alone this year? If Bennett could tap into the JUCO pool, you better believe we'd have a record better than Tulsa.

Thats funny, I only remember Tulsa signing 3 JC players in the spring. Michael Ledet and Oliver Fletcher, who now start in their secondary, and Brandon Jones, a defensive end who couldnt pass his JC classes and never enrolled at Tulsa. Could you name the 5 or 6 others for me?

[Stallion]

I checked Tulsa's roster later and also found only 3 I think he added the 5 other Division 1A transfers. It is interesting that the two JUCO kids who are starting are having great years though. The DB if I remember right has 4 Ints. Also, let's not get too carried away with Tulsa's success beating Texas State(Division 1AA) and Arkansas St. Great victory over Hawaaii though to be fair.

[VarsityShop]

re: I checked Tulsa's roster later and also found only 3 I think he added the 5 other Division 1A transfers. It is interesting that the two JUCO kids who are starting are having great years though. The DB if I remember right has 4 Ints. Also, let's not get too carried away with Tulsa's success beating Texas State(Division 1AA) and Arkansas St. Great victory over Hawaaii though to be fair

In other words it's not THE ANSWER ....it may be a small part of the answer, but certainly not THE ANSWER to SMU's football problems. There is no "easy out" like "well lets go get a few JUCO's and everything is going to change". There are alot of ingredients to an SMU turn-around and JUCO's may play a part, but they certainly are not THE ANSWER

[SoCal_Pony]

Varsity Shop,

No one on this board says Juco’s are the answer, but merely an option to fill some immediate glaring needs (such as OL), that virtually everyone uses. Apparently TTech used it very effectively this year.

You on the other hand supported No Juco’s as recently as 11 days ago. So I am glad you have changed your mind and now support the majority on this board.

As PK stated, why take that option away from our coaches?

[Stallion]

If Tulsa is the answer-what the heck is the question.

[Mike Damone]

Who is really, really bad but still favored by 18 over SMU?

[MizterTea]

Originally posted by Mike Damone:
Who is really, really bad but still favored by 18 over SMU?

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[Stallion]

Nice question!!!

[Dubbya]

Originally posted by MizterTea:

Originally posted by Mike Damone:
[b] Who is really, really bad but still favored by 18 over SMU?

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Hey! I resemble that remark. Or that picture.

OK, explain to me what I don't understand - why were they playing intramurals in the first place? Did nobody on the intramural field recognize these guys and point out that they had a game two days later? What would they have said to Bennett if they somehow had gotten hurt playing IM? They're getting a free education by playing football, and were willing to risk that for an IM game? That's beyond me.

[MizterTea]

This SUBJECT has...

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jumped the shark

[VarsityShop]

re: Varsity Shop,No one on this board says Juco’s are the answer,

SoCal:

Yes someone on this board did in fact say that JUCO's were the answer,(Poster named Mickey on 10/19/03 @ 4:55am)so maybe you should get your facts straight before you post.

re: You on the other hand supported No Juco’s as recently as 11 days ago. So I am glad you have changed your mind and now support the majority on this board.

Again SoCal, you may want to get your facts straight....I have not changed my mind at all.I do not support SMU using JUCO players. With that said I do think JUCO players could help us win a few games now, but in the long run I do not think they are anything close to "THE ANSWER" for SMU football.

[Mickey]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by VarsityShop:
[QB] re: "Varsity Shop,No one on this board says Juco’s are the answer,

SoCal:

Yes someone on this board did in fact say that JUCO's were the answer,(Poster named Mickey on 10/19/03 @ 4:55am)so maybe you should get your facts straight before you post."

For the record, I have posted numerous times that we need to be very selective in signing JUCOs. I prefer, like most of us on this board, in building the program with HS recruits and for balancing classes and positions with JUCOs. Generally, SMU should limit JUCO signings to 3 per year. However, since we are presently in such dire straits, we need to consider signing 5 JUCOs this year for some of the following positions: QB, WR, RB, DE, DT, CB, and S. This will plug some weaknesses at positions where we are weak or where we have no depth. It will also balance out the SO recriting class that only has 13 players cutrrently on scholarship.

Most importantly, signing JUCOS could help us be more competitive quicker. Sooner or later, recruits won't sign with a program that is continually losing. Bennett MIGHT have one more year of signing a good recruiting class without showing any positive results on the field. Eventually, the recruits will need to see some winning results. I suspect that even this year's record will impact our recruiting efforts for the 04 signing day.

Signing JUCOS is the quickest answer to a turn around. KU is winning becuase of the JUCOS signed in the last recruiting class. Most big programs sign JUCOS to fill holes and to balance numbers. Some, but very view, like KSU annually retool with JUCOs.

<small>[ 10-21-2003, 03:15 PM: Message edited by: Mickey ]</small>

[abezontar]

Didn't someone on the recruiting board say that we only had 10 scholarships for this fall?

[SoCal_Pony]

So Varsity Shop,

Even though you believe Jucos could help us win a few games now, you support adding none?

That is an interesting take which places you in a small minority on this board.

Most think those ‘few wins now’ are critical in building some momentum (recruiting, attendance and otherwise) around here.

I agree with Mickey, selective Jucos for specific needs. Hardly the answer, but simply another option for much needed immediate help.