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by **Pony Soup** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:00 pm

I agree, good coach doesn't equal good recruiter for smu

by **couch 'em** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:09 pm

Do you even really recruit at Navy? I don't see anyone really choosing to join the Navy in order to play football. Isn't he basically just picking the best players from the entire set of persons interested in the Navy (the branch of the millitary with about zero chance of getting shot at these days) to being with?

This guy isn't not what I'd really call a proven DI-A head coach. This is basically hiring a DI-AA coach - similar, but not quite the same as DI-A.

by **Dwan** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:21 pm

can somebody answer me this about Johnson, since he has a recruiting advantage at Navy with the prep schools, how come nobody else has had the success at Navy that he has?

by **Pony Soup** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:23 pm

No responses Dwan....are you sold?

by **jimhagle** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:32 pm

The academies that Navy draws some from are not heavy laden with blue chips. Let's put an end to that idiotic talk. There is recruiting going on at Navy-just ask some the area kids that go there. I am not a big fan of Johnson's offense but it puts points on the board and wins. It also eats up the clock and would help keep our weak defense off the field more.

by **The XtC** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:38 pm

[quote="couch 'em"](the branch of the millitary with about zero chance of getting shot at these days) [/quote]

The Naval academy trains Marine Corps. officers. Would you like to think that statement over and try again?

by **mrydel** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:41 pm

The XtC wrote:
couch 'em wrote:(the branch of the millitary with about zero chance of getting shot at these days)

The Naval academy trains Marine Corps. officers. Would you like to think that statement over and try again?

and they fly.

by **thefamousguy** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:47 pm

mustangxc wrote:I am afraid Paul Johnson won't be able to recruit to SMU. If we hire someone like him with the perception that he is a winner at Navy and he fails at SMU good luck getting anyone to come here next. The caveat with him, as Stallion has repeatedly argued, is that he gets special concessions in recruiting at Navy because it is a service academy.

Don't use the Stallion special concessions in recruiting joke of an argument. He gets the scraps of all recruits each year at Navy. It doesn't matter how many he's allowed to sign, or whether they spend 5 years in prep school, they are still the players no one else wants, period.
He has worked miracles at Navy with that low level of talent.

That said, I will still be disappointed with this hire. I would really like to have a big name hire this time around to help with recruiting. Orsini signs Oleary at UCF but he can't give us a Barnett,Bowden,Fran,Newheisel(misspelled), etc.

by **jtstang** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:50 pm

The XtC wrote:
couch 'em wrote:(the branch of the millitary with about zero chance of getting shot at these days)

The Naval academy trains Marine Corps. officers. Would you like to think that statement over and try again?

No kidding. And my law partner Naval reservist just got shipped to Sadr City for a one year recall tour.

by **couch 'em** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:58 pm

The XtC wrote:
couch 'em wrote:(the branch of the millitary with about zero chance of getting shot at these days)

The Naval academy trains Marine Corps. officers. Would you like to think that statement over and try again?

You go directly to the marines, or you have the option to? If the former, I stand corrected. If the latter, I'd take lobbing missles from a ship with a chance of being sent to somewhere on shore over a 100% chance of being in the middle of Iraq if I were looking for the safest route.

by **mrydel** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:10 pm

couch 'em wrote:
The XtC wrote:
couch 'em wrote:(the branch of the millitary with about zero chance of getting shot at these days)

The Naval academy trains Marine Corps. officers. Would you like to think that statement over and try again?

You go directly to the marines, or you have the option to? If the former, I stand corrected. If the latter, I'd take lobbing missles from a ship with a chance of being sent to somewhere on shore over a 100% chance of being in the middle of Iraq if I were looking for the safest route.

and they fly

by **Cadillac** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:14 pm

couch 'em wrote:
The XtC wrote:
You go directly to the marines, or you have the option to? If the former, I stand corrected. If the latter, I'd take lobbing missles from a ship with a chance of being sent to somewhere on shore over a 100% chance of being in the middle of Iraq if I were looking for the safest route.

As a squid who spent two years with the Marines, I don't have enough middle fingers to give you.

-CoS

by **Dwan** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:17 pm

Nobody seems to be able to answer my question, not trying to be a smart [deleted], but just curious since Navy and all the services academies have this recruiting advantage, how come they are not better programs?

by **The XtC** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:18 pm

I'm really not sure what you mean by go directly to the Marines, everyone goes directly to their branch of service after they graduate. You select your field of service while you are in school.

On the Navy academy website, they have posted the service assignments of this years senior class, the 2008 graduates. Here is how they went:

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Recently, the 1047 members of the Class of 2008 chose the following service and warfare specialties to enter after graduation and commissioning:

* Naval Aviation: Pilot training -- 224 men and 33 women;
Naval Flight Officer training -- 82 men and 16 women.
* Marine Corps Aviation: Pilot training -- 77 men and 6 women;
Flight Officer training -- 2 men.
* Surface Warfare: conventional -- 185 men and 66 women;
Nuclear power -- 23 men and 14 women.
* Marine Corps Ground: 113 men and 19 women.
* Submarine Warfare: 121 men.
*Navy Restricted Line and Staff Corps: 8 men and 1 woman, including midshipmen not physically qualified for the unrestricted line duties above, elected specialization in aviation maintenance duty, cryptology, intelligence, supply corps, civil engineering corps and meteorology/oceanography.
* Medical Corps: 7 men and 3 women.
* Special Warfare (SEAL): 24 men.
* Special Operations (diving, salvage and explosive ordnance disposal): 14 men and 1 woman.
* Interservice commissioning in the U.S. Air Force: 4 women.
* Interservice commissioning in the U.S. Army: 2 women.
* Interservice commissioning in the U.S. Coast Guard: 2 men.

by **Longtime** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:25 pm

Can I remind everyone that Mike Cavan came to SMU with the reputation as a great recruiter? By the time he left, SMU's talent level was at its lowest since Forrest Gregg played a bunch of walk-ons in 1989.

The few talented guys Cavan did recruit (Josh McCown, Jack Brewer, Karon Riley, Chris Sanders, etc.) all wound up transferring. Or turning into complete busts, like Marcus Mosley.

So what if Navy has a prep school? Have you seen the runts Navy runs out there and wins with? It's not like Navy overpowers anyone or dominates with speed.

Paul Johnson can coach. And if a guy can coach and win at Navy, chances are he will figure out how to get the right talent at SMU.

I don't think we could get Big 12-level talent at SMU if we hired Mack Brown. The guys who are recruiting geniuses aren't going to take a job at SMU. But if Johnson is the coach he's reputed to be, he could win enough that a better class of recruits will give us a look. That's all you can hope for right now, given our present situation.

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