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Postby Pony^ » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:53 am

Just for fun -- a few posts from the UH Scout Board:

·Cougar41·
Report Posted: Yesterday 11:40 PM
June Jones & SMU

SMU is offering June Jones a cool $2 million. He's agreed to terms, but stringing it out till after their bowl game in the hope he'll land the UCLA gig. I've got to give the Ponies some credit, they're really trying to step up. They're going spend some coin to find the right guy.


·Cougar41·
Report Posted: Today 12:47 AM
Re: June Jones & SMU

Whatever...Just passing along information I got from two seperate sources. 1) My uncle, who is a two-way (OL & DL) all SWC player at SMU, drafted by Lombardi at Green Bay, and substanital donor to their Athletic Department. 2) C-USA Adminsitrator very highly placed at a local University. He was more upset at this potential hire as this is causing the an "arms race" within CUSA for football coaches salaries increase. I don't really care what ya'll think. Just passing along some scope that I thought would be interesting. Lastly, SMU does have a very large amount of money they've raised to get a coach to bring their program back. Additionally, the University is waiving any admissions cap for football recurits that don't meet their admissions standards. Typically, they only allow less than 5 marginal students into school each year for football which hampers they type of players they can recruit (Case in point - The well publized snubbing of AA).

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Re: June Jones & SMU

It's not bs. In fact, JJ's first choice may be Duke. I told folks at the beginning of our search that JJ was in play. Yet the brilliant minds on this board poo poo'd that with "he won't leave Hawaii" and stuff like that.

There's talk he wants to try and resurrect the worst program he can find.....of course, they have to pay him.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=215#s=21 ... &t=1656301
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Postby Pony^ » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:58 am

Also AP article -- interesting that his contract is up this year and that he will pass along an extra $114,000 to his assistants and the program. 800K to 2.0 million would be a big jump. Could Hawaii even come close? Also, no buyout if his contract is over this year.

Jones to pass along $114,000 in pledges to assistants
Associated Press

HONOLULU -- Hawaii Warriors coach June Jones says he will pass along to his assistants the more than $100,000 pledged to him by local donors.

A group of business leaders and football supporters has raised at least $114,000 to support and thank Jones for the Warriors' unprecedented undefeated season and invitation to the Sugar Bowl.

Jones told The Honolulu Advertiser he will give the entire amount to his nine assistant coaches and to improve the athletic department's deteriorating facilities.

"I want the money to go where it's needed," he said.

Defensive line coach Jeff Reinebold said Jones' gesture says a lot.

Jones, 55, the winningest coach in school history, is in the final season of a five-year, $4 million contract. Half of his $800,000 annual salary is paid by donors.

He is the third highest-paid coach in the WAC, behind Fresno State's Pat Hill and Boise State's Chris Petersen. That could change soon.

"Everybody talks about the great job the South Florida coach did in building a program," Reinebold said. "But June resurrected a program. If the program was a patient in the hospital, they would call the priest to give the last rites. He took it off life support. He breathed life into it, and gave it an identity."

In 1999, Jones directed the Warriors to the biggest one-year turnaround in NCAA history. Hawaii started the season with an 18-game losing streak -- 0-12 in '98 -- and went 9-4 with a bowl win over Oregon State.

This season, No. 10 Hawaii clinched its first outright Western Athletic Conference title and earned a BCS berth to face No. 4 Georgia (10-2) after finishing the regular season as the nation's only unbeaten team at 12-0.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3151112
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Postby Pony Soup » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:16 pm

Really? Hawaii just made a BCS bowl and earned $4mil (2x its annual budget). They can pay June more than 800k.
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Re: June Jones is the new SMU coach?

Postby Mustang1991 » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:19 pm

coog99 wrote:I read yall offered Jones 2 mill a year and he accepted. Is this true?


Coog, there's a reason the paint can has a warning on the side that says "DO NOT INHALE FUMES"
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Re: June Jones is the new SMU coach?

Postby BRStang » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:21 pm

Mustang1991 wrote:
coog99 wrote:I read yall offered Jones 2 mill a year and he accepted. Is this true?


Coog, there's a reason the paint can has a warning on the side that says "DO NOT INHALE FUMES"


It's not the paint. It is all that Pine Sol.
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Postby perunapower » Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:51 pm

firephil wrote:Really? Hawaii just made a BCS bowl and earned $4mil (2x its annual budget). They can pay June more than 800k.


They have to give that to the WAC to be distributed among the members, after travel costs obviously.
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Postby Ponymon » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:22 pm

Pony^ wrote:Also AP article -- interesting that his contract is up this year and that he will pass along an extra $114,000 to his assistants and the program. 800K to 2.0 million would be a big jump. Could Hawaii even come close? Also, no buyout if his contract is over this year.

Jones to pass along $114,000 in pledges to assistants
Associated Press

HONOLULU -- Hawaii Warriors coach June Jones says he will pass along to his assistants the more than $100,000 pledged to him by local donors.

A group of business leaders and football supporters has raised at least $114,000 to support and thank Jones for the Warriors' unprecedented undefeated season and invitation to the Sugar Bowl.

Jones told The Honolulu Advertiser he will give the entire amount to his nine assistant coaches and to improve the athletic department's deteriorating facilities.

"I want the money to go where it's needed," he said.

Defensive line coach Jeff Reinebold said Jones' gesture says a lot.

Jones, 55, the winningest coach in school history, is in the final season of a five-year, $4 million contract. Half of his $800,000 annual salary is paid by donors.

He is the third highest-paid coach in the WAC, behind Fresno State's Pat Hill and Boise State's Chris Petersen. That could change soon.

"Everybody talks about the great job the South Florida coach did in building a program," Reinebold said. "But June resurrected a program. If the program was a patient in the hospital, they would call the priest to give the last rites. He took it off life support. He breathed life into it, and gave it an identity."

In 1999, Jones directed the Warriors to the biggest one-year turnaround in NCAA history. Hawaii started the season with an 18-game losing streak -- 0-12 in '98 -- and went 9-4 with a bowl win over Oregon State.

This season, No. 10 Hawaii clinched its first outright Western Athletic Conference title and earned a BCS berth to face No. 4 Georgia (10-2) after finishing the regular season as the nation's only unbeaten team at 12-0.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3151112


As I mentioned on another thread, Texas has NO STATE INCOME TAX and a cost of living that is considerably less than Hawaii or California. Plus if he is an investor, he doesn't have to pay capital gains tax on his trades like my brother does up in Missouri. That can add up to even more than his State Income Taxes. Plus there is no INHERITANCE TAX in this state. Additionally, it is a homestead state so if he goofs up like Clint Murchison or Tony Dorsett he can't lose his homestead. (Unless he has more than an acre in an urban setting.)Obviously, there are a lot of financial advantages that can be sold to a potential coach that can make it much more attractive to come to SMU than to other schools outside of Texas. Florida, Tennessee, and about 5 other states do not have income taxes, but thats it. Gives us a big advantage if the coach is concerned about the money!
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Postby DanFreibergerForHeisman » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:33 pm

Do you think any athlete or coach gives a crap about the Texas state tax laws? All they care about are total dollars. Look at free agent signings in professional sports. Many athletes have taken bigger offers that net less money because of taxes than offers they have been given by the Astros, Rangers, and other Texas-based professional sports teams.

Now - maybe coaches are different, but athletes are controlled by their agents and all they care about are total dollars.
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Postby J.T.supporta » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:34 pm

DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:Do you think any athlete or coach gives a crap about the Texas state tax laws? All they care about are total dollars. Look at free agent signings in professional sports. Many athletes have taken bigger offers that net less money because of taxes than offers they have been given by the Astros, Rangers, and other Texas-based professional sports teams.

Now - maybe coaches are different, but athletes are controlled by their agents and all they care about are total dollars.


THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT...NO ONE GIVES A [deleted] ABOUT TAXES...

PJ DIDNT so no other coach would...
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Postby Ponymon » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:45 pm

J.T.supporta wrote:
DanFreibergerForHeisman wrote:Do you think any athlete or coach gives a crap about the Texas state tax laws? All they care about are total dollars. Look at free agent signings in professional sports. Many athletes have taken bigger offers that net less money because of taxes than offers they have been given by the Astros, Rangers, and other Texas-based professional sports teams.

Now - maybe coaches are different, but athletes are controlled by their agents and all they care about are total dollars.


THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT...NO ONE GIVES A [deleted] ABOUT TAXES...

PJ DIDNT so no other coach would...


OBVIOUSLY you wouldn't. Its hard for dummycraps to make enough money to pay them! :lol:
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Postby Pony Soup » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:49 pm

Call me crazy but people absolutely consider taxes when evaluating opportunities. Dont start in on this one because I am not saying it is the sole factor as you have suggested.

Sure, there are many examples of athletes who have taken smaller (net) or similar offers to play in states with higher taxes, and that is because of a number of non-monetary factors that go into the equation (winning, location, family, etc). But dont pretend these decisions are based on the ability to say they get paid more even if they take home less.
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Postby Ponymon » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:53 pm

firephil wrote:Call me crazy but people absolutely consider taxes when evaluating opportunities. Dont start in on this one because I am not saying it is the sole factor as you have suggested.

Sure, there are many examples of athletes who have taken smaller (net) or similar offers to play in states with higher taxes, and that is because of a number of non-monetary factors that go into the equation (winning, location, family, etc). But dont pretend these decisions are based on the ability to say they get paid more even if they take home less.


8% of $1.5 million is $120 thousand. Not insignificant in my book, but obviously is not a consideration to those that have never paid them!
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Postby Pony Soup » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:56 pm

exactly. most smu kids havent paid a single bill before. ever.
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Postby perunapower » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:08 pm

firephil wrote:exactly. most smu kids havent paid a single bill before. ever.


That's a pretty broad statement there. Would you like to back that up or just lay a nice stereotype out there?
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Postby couch 'em » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:48 pm

firephil wrote:exactly. most smu kids havent paid a single bill before. ever.


You think they'd want to try paying one by paying off my student loans?
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