dcpony wrote:The guy literally recruited Colt Brennan out of a jail. JJ could never have recruited Colt Brennan if he was at SMU.
He did not recruit Colt Brennan out of jail! Colt was in jail for seven days and then played at a junior college before going to Hawaii. He also had offers from Syracuse and San Jose State. I'm not sure that he could not have played for SMU.
Thanks for clarifying. I get so tired of guys using generalizations and cliches with regard to other school's recruits. A guy gets arrested once and now several ponyfans portray Brennan as having received recruiting letters/visits from June Jones while in his jail cell, playing dominoes with Bubba.
The point I'm trying to make is that while SMU has cash, decent facilities etc...and Hawaii doesn't. JJ can pretty much recruit any type of player he wants too at UH. And at SMU he...well you guys know.
dcpony wrote:The guy literally recruited Colt Brennan out of a jail. JJ could never have recruited Colt Brennan if he was at SMU.
He did not recruit Colt Brennan out of jail! Colt was in jail for seven days and then played at a junior college before going to Hawaii. He also had offers from Syracuse and San Jose State. I'm not sure that he could not have played for SMU.
Thanks for clarifying. I get so tired of guys using generalizations and cliches with regard to other school's recruits. A guy gets arrested once and now several ponyfans portray Brennan as having received recruiting letters/visits from June Jones while in his jail cell, playing dominoes with Bubba.
The point I'm trying to make is that while SMU has cash, decent facilities etc...and Hawaii doesn't. JJ can pretty much recruit any type of player he wants too at UH. And at SMU he...well you guys know.
The point I would like to make is that June Jones, Paul Johnson/Navy, etc. can recruit the players they want but they aren't getting the best athletes in the country to sign. They have developed systems to get the most out of the 1,2 and 3 star athletes they do sign. SMU has yet to hire a coach with that ability.
Also June Jones went 9-4 his first year with a team that was winless the season before. That is COACHING. We haven't had one since the DP. When you are a mid major program coaching becomes an even greater factor because the athletes are fairly equal.
dcpony wrote:The guy literally recruited Colt Brennan out of a jail. JJ could never have recruited Colt Brennan if he was at SMU.
He did not recruit Colt Brennan out of jail! Colt was in jail for seven days and then played at a junior college before going to Hawaii. He also had offers from Syracuse and San Jose State. I'm not sure that he could not have played for SMU.
Thanks for clarifying. I get so tired of guys using generalizations and cliches with regard to other school's recruits. A guy gets arrested once and now several ponyfans portray Brennan as having received recruiting letters/visits from June Jones while in his jail cell, playing dominoes with Bubba.
The point I'm trying to make is that while SMU has cash, decent facilities etc...and Hawaii doesn't. JJ can pretty much recruit any type of player he wants too at UH. And at SMU he...well you guys know.
While SMU may hold it's coaches to a fairly high standard, I don't believe those same standards would necessarily apply to recruits/players. JW last year. These are young men still learning and some make mistakes. Unless it's really serious, I don't see SMU not giving a kid a 2nd chance.
If anyone happened to see the bowl game in Hawaii the other evening, they interviewed Jones during the game. In what to me is a very class act, Jones has awarded Sugar Bowl rings to Mouse Davis and Jerry Glanville for their work the past few years although they are not at Hawaii this year. Jones says that Glanville told Jones (using the sense of humor normally reserved for SMU fans) that he (Glanville ) deserved one because Hawaii never could have gone undefeated had he stayed.
The three best players I've had in this program were Pisa Tinoisamoa (now a linebacker with the St. Louis Rams), Colt Brennan and Davone Bess, and I recruited all three of them from jail," Jones says. "We can't get a kid like that to come to Hawaii. If a kid like that doesn't have legal trouble, he's going to USC or Colorado or somewhere."
Stallion wrote:The three best players I've had in this program were Pisa Tinoisamoa (now a linebacker with the St. Louis Rams), Colt Brennan and Davone Bess, and I recruited all three of them from jail," Jones says. "We can't get a kid like that to come to Hawaii. If a kid like that doesn't have legal trouble, he's going to USC or Colorado or somewhere."
THE ANSWER: None of these guys get into SMU
Maybe he could get some transfers fromt he UT Penal system.
Stallion wrote:The three best players I've had in this program were Pisa Tinoisamoa (now a linebacker with the St. Louis Rams), Colt Brennan and Davone Bess, and I recruited all three of them from jail," Jones says. "We can't get a kid like that to come to Hawaii. If a kid like that doesn't have legal trouble, he's going to USC or Colorado or somewhere."
THE ANSWER: None of these guys get into SMU
So, o wise one, are you saying that is all he can recruit?
I'm saying he has at least 35 JC/College Transfers and I'd bet a higher than normal percentage of the rest are academic questionmarks. I haven't checked lately but I think heard somelike 40% of his players are Polynesian. Then add in the kids with questional backgrounds who simply are not getting into SMU. I respect June Jones Coaching credentials-I always watch Hawaii games when they are on TV. I just don't understand how June Jones fits with the SMU job. In fact, he does not fit with the SMU job. He has been critical of the SMU administration when Bennett went winless. I think we are being used. I think we will have wasted an extra 2 weeks and SMU should have been able to hire a Coach by the first week in December.
This article from last year said that 76 players on Hawaii's Roster are Polynesians. That's even higher than I thought. Ask yourself-how does that fit the SMU job? Can we get them into school. Would they be interested in SMU. Why was he not interested to even even discuss the UCLA job? These are legitimate questions that should be considered. Again, I have no problems with June Jones' Coaching expertise-just a little skeptical about how good a fit he is for SMU.
Stallion wrote:The three best players I've had in this program were Pisa Tinoisamoa (now a linebacker with the St. Louis Rams), Colt Brennan and Davone Bess, and I recruited all three of them from jail," Jones says. "We can't get a kid like that to come to Hawaii. If a kid like that doesn't have legal trouble, he's going to USC or Colorado or somewhere."
THE ANSWER: None of these guys get into SMU
Look at this guy, doesn't look like he went to jail or nutttin':
Texas high school QB commits to UH
The quarterback of one of the nation's best high school football teams has accepted a scholarship offer from the University of Hawai'i.
"I'm going to be a Warrior," said Bo Levi Mitchell of Katy (Texas) High School. "It's a quarterback's dream to go out there and play football. I'm going to be living a dream."
Mitchell, who said he is 6 feet 1 1/2 and 195 pounds, has thrown 38 touchdown passes this season. He has been intercepted only four times. Mitchell will lead 15-0 Katy in Saturday's state Class 5A (large schools) Division II championship game.
"Hawai'i is getting a good one," Katy coach Gary Joseph said. "He's a good player and a good person. He's a feel-good story."
Joseph said Mitchell was a backup on Katy's freshman team. He had limited time as a sophomore. But Mitchell emerged as a starter as a junior, and this season is one of the team captains.
Joseph said Mitchell is 28-1 as a starter.
Katy has been ranked as high as No. 3 nationally. Katy is No. 4 in the last USA Today's Super 25 rankings.
Mitchell said his parents are former Hawai'i residents.
"They really liked it out there," Mitchell said.
The families of Mitchell and UH cornerback Ryan Mouton, a former Katy standout, have been friends for several years. Mitchell visited Mouton when the Warriors trained in Houston in the week between the Louisiana Tech and Nevada-Las Vegas road games.
Mitchell said he gave his highlight videotape to Mouton, who forwarded it to the UH coaches.
Mitchell said he kept in contact with the UH coaches. This week, the Warriors offered a scholarship to Mitchell, who accepted immediately.
Washington State and Kansas State had talked to Mitchell.
"If I were two inches taller, they'd take me," Mitchell said, recalling his conversation with the K-State coaches. "I'm not 6-4. It didn't matter. Hawai'i is the school for me."
Mitchell is scheduled to visit UH beginning Jan. 18. But he said his commitment is firm.
With the departure of Heisman Trophy finalist Colt Brennan, the Warriors will have five returning quarterbacks â€" Tyler Graunke, Inoke Funaki, Jake Santos, Shane Austin and Kiran Kepo'o.
ALEX LIFESON wrote:The Sugar Bowl pays 17 million. Does anyone know how the WAC splits Hawaii's part? Hawaii will spend a HUGE chunk of it on the Bowl itself. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hawaii promise JJ, they would use the rest of it on salaries, and facility improvements.
Hawaii gets 4M of that money for whatever they choose (facilities, dorm, library, etc)
ALEX LIFESON wrote:The Sugar Bowl pays 17 million. Does anyone know how the WAC splits Hawaii's part? Hawaii will spend a HUGE chunk of it on the Bowl itself. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hawaii promise JJ, they would use the rest of it on salaries, and facility improvements.
Hawaii gets 4M of that money for whatever they choose (facilities, dorm, library, etc)
Hawaii must share proceeds wth other non-BCS Conferences (like C-USA).
Here's an article that addresses Bosie State's split last year:
Boise State fattens take for second tier
While the six conferences with guaranteed spots in the Bowl Championship Series each receive at least $17 million, the five other I-A leagues will receive a total of approximately $18 million. That's double what they would normally make because of Western Athletic Conference champ Boise State's spot in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl.
The non-guaranteed leagues (Conference USA, WAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Mid-American) receive 9% of the projected BCS net revenue, or about $9 million on an annual basis, according to the BCS. That increases by another 9% when a team from one of those leagues is in a BCS game.
The leagues then negotiate a split, with the biggest share going to the participating conference. Of the WAC's money, more than half will go to Boise State. Athletics director Gene Bleymaier projects that at $3 million to $3.5 million.
If a few years from now SMU is in a BCS Bowl and some school like Ohio State was looking at June Jones.....there would be a "Stallion" on some Ohio State message board screaming "but, but he has 76% Texans on his squad...he wouldn't be a good fit here in Ohio".
