When can we officially begin to panic?

by **Bergermeister** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:50 pm

Stallion wrote: These recruits have moved on... the last weekend is for leftovers and walkons.

I guess our usual leftovers and walkons have moved on. Wonder who will get these prizes?

by **Nacho** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:53 pm

I'm sure we'll hire the right guy so I'm not concerned at all.

by **EastStang** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:55 pm

I will almost guarantee that this year's recruiting class will be similar to the one two years ago. Even if the coach is hired on January 28. What if (and I know it won't happen) Bill Belichek's agent told Orsini that Wild Bill was interested in the SMU job. Would we wait until after the Super Bowl to grab Belichek? I would.

by **Stallion** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:58 pm

well if this recruiting season is an afterthought then you are actually asking an experienced head coach to take over a program which is essentially trying to overcome a self-inflicted AD probation. Better plan on the program bottoming out and rebuilding from scratch. Why would a quality Coach want any part of that kind of mess. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these guys say thanks but no thanks and wait for next year to get a job where the AD doesn't have his head up his [deleted]. If you think SMU can go to these experienced backup Coaches(like Franchione, Bowden etc) on January 8 after 2 more Coaches looking for raises turn us down, then you are delusional. This delay may very well cost us a shot at the Coach we should have hired December 1.

by **StallionsModelT** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:05 pm

Ok smartguy. What recruits do you really think we'd have a shot at getting this year that would make an impact??? As you have said many times the recruits we currently have are not worth worrying about. More than likely there is little chance SMU is going to land some dynamite recruit in this class that is going to turn the program around. Odds are we would field a class of marginal Div. 1 recruits who would simply be bodies in a uniform. What's more important? A recruiting class that isn't going to set the world on fire anyway, or getting a quality coach and staff in place so that we can build for the long term.

by **ponyinNC** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:06 pm

In all honesty, panic at this stage is futile. We didn't get our guy PJ, so we had to wait longer. And we didn't want the guys who were currently available, so we wait for our 2nd choice. If he says no, we move on.

Panic is appropriate the day we announce our new HC. If it is not JJ, Bowden, Fran, or Neuheisel, then it is time to panic IMHO.

by **Stallion** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:09 pm

...I don't know which mistake Orsini is going to make next so I hazard to guess. Essentially you are agreing that we are going to offer a Coach with the prospect that he will commence his tenure with a self inflicted AD recruiting probation. Go get 'em Steve!!!!!!!!! That will impress them!!!!

by **Bergermeister** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:11 pm

Stallion wrote:well if this recruiting season is an afterthought then you are actually asking an experienced head coach to take over a program which is essentially trying to overcome a self-inflicted AD probation. Better plan on the program bottoming out and rebuilding from scratch. Why would a quality Coach want any part of that kind of mess. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these guys say thanks but no thanks and wait for next year to get a job where the AD doesn't have his head up his [deleted]. If you think SMU can go to these experienced backup Coaches(like Franchione, Bowden etc) on January 8 after 2 more Coaches looking for raises turn us down, then you are delusional. This delay may very well cost us a shot at the Coach we should have hired December 1.

by **StallionsModelT** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:16 pm

And in typical Stallion fashion you skate around the question. I again propose this scenerio which would have certainly played out. We hire someone in early/mid December. They manage to hold on to our current commits and then hit the ground running recruiting. What ranking of class would we have pulled in considering that over 85% of recruits have already committed to other schools? Odds are we put together a class of marginal recruits. This one recruiting class is not the benchmark of the future of the program. We'd likely finish anywhere between 85-100 nationally in recruiting. So what have we really lost by waiting to get a coach? Please explain this to me instead of doing your usual tapdance with "your model" and "your way".

by **mrydel** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:22 pm

One thing I would say is that if we end up with Fran (with which I would be happy), we could have hired him 6 weeks ago and my guess is our recruiting class would be far better than 85-100. If we are truely holding out for someone that would be considered better, then I am fine, but if they do not have a staff in place ready to roll, it will be kind of a start-up situation. With it being a start-up situation, I do not see anyone on the horizon that is going to accept the job other than Fran/Coker.

by **Pony94** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:32 pm

Stallion wrote:well if this recruiting season is an afterthought then you are actually asking an experienced head coach to take over a program which is essentially trying to overcome a self-inflicted AD probation. Better plan on the program bottoming out and rebuilding from scratch. Why would a quality Coach want any part of that kind of mess. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of these guys say thanks but no thanks and wait for next year to get a job where the AD doesn't have his head up his [deleted]. If you think SMU can go to these experienced backup Coaches(like Franchione, Bowden etc) on January 8 after 2 more Coaches looking for raises turn us down, then you are delusional. This delay may very well cost us a shot at the Coach we should have hired December 1.

I thought your entire viewpoint was that we have already bottomed out since we never adopted your model? And we never had the kids to compete even against other inferior programs within C-USA.

by **StallionsModelT** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:35 pm

Pony94,

Don't expect a response to your excellent analysis of Stallion's previous posts. That doesn't feed his ego and his need for attention. But you are absolutely right on with your premise. If by Stallion's own admission, we don't have the athletes/athletic model to compete in C-USA anyway, what is the big harm in building up the program from scratch? As I said, there is no reason to think our recruiting class would finish anywhere above 85 (I'm sorry but even with Fran we don't recruit that well since almost every kid is committed somewhere at this point) is foolish. But don't let facts get in the way of things.

by **Mustangsabu** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:10 pm

Can somebody tell me where they are getting the information that we have lost, or will lose our recruits?

by **QuikSStang** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:14 pm

Mustangsabu wrote:Can somebody tell me where they are getting the information that we have lost, or will lose our recruits?

rivals.com

by **Stallion** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:19 pm

there are no decent commits to lose. As for [deleted] above-you are asking for a hypothetical dumbass- but the hypothetical assumes no recruiting gain between December 1 and the date we finally get a Coach, hire a Staff and hit the ground running [deleted]. The difference between starting recruiting on December 1 and January whatever could be substantial [deleted]. I've listed specific players we've lost on a prominent post on the Recruiting Board. Start with those recruits and then the hypothetical is any one's guess. Your conclusion that nothing would be accomplished anyway is stupid. [deleted] Complete ignorance of a topic such as recruiting is no excuse for conclusory generalizations.

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