recent 4 or 5 star recruits at SMU?

[MustangIcon]

I honestly believe that SMU had a realistic shot at Arthur during the early signing period and that that shot evaporated with the disappointing second season, "scandal" and Tubbs' firing. Never thought it was a done deal but the preference of his GrandMother is pretty well documented.

Early signing period is in Novemeber. The "scandal" and Tubbs firing did not come to light until March. If I recall correctly, sometime after the early signing period and before any negative scandal/Tubbs press surfaced, Arthur was down to a 3 team race between KU, LSU, and Baylor.

There was also a lot of talk among those "in the know" in highschool hoops recruiting that Arthur and his people were waiting to see who would put together the best "package" for his services. Obviously I cannot confirm that but I am sure some of you have heard the same thing.

A couple posters on here even went so far as to say they had heard of Tubbs trying to get together some sort of recruiting fund or something. I dismissed those claims as I have never heard myself, from anyone reputable, anything close to that. I am sure someone could find the old posts if they wanted to badly enough.

[mathman]

too bad we didnt get darrell arthur, that woulda been nice

I post this only in response to this comment. I am not actively looking to raise ghosts. I have heard it said by Shady's AAU coach, first hand mind you, that he was seriously coming to SMU before Tubbs got fired. Hearsay? Yes. Firsthand hearsay? Yes too. Word was his grandmother really preferred him close and had a big say in it.

I think it worked out better for the kid to go to Kansas. He is having a stellar career and SMU would have done nothing for him. He would have done alot for us.

Now, is it possible that said AAU coach is bitter at SMU and has concocted the story to twist the daggar that much more? Maybe. But either way, the fact that the guy would say it, at a high school playoff game no less, tells you what the burgers and cheer debacle did to this program. but the real shame is SMU has done very little to help repair the damage done to this day. There doesn't seem to be a quality Dallas prospect in sight at the moment for SMU, DISD or Suburban.

I kept waiting to read what you had to say about the new Juco recruit. I know you said we needed to sign another PG. No opinion!!

[Hoop Fan]

too bad we didnt get darrell arthur, that woulda been nice

I post this only in response to this comment. I am not actively looking to raise ghosts. I have heard it said by Shady's AAU coach, first hand mind you, that he was seriously coming to SMU before Tubbs got fired. Hearsay? Yes. Firsthand hearsay? Yes too. Word was his grandmother really preferred him close and had a big say in it.

I think it worked out better for the kid to go to Kansas. He is having a stellar career and SMU would have done nothing for him. He would have done alot for us.

Now, is it possible that said AAU coach is bitter at SMU and has concocted the story to twist the daggar that much more? Maybe. But either way, the fact that the guy would say it, at a high school playoff game no less, tells you what the burgers and cheer debacle did to this program. but the real shame is SMU has done very little to help repair the damage done to this day. There doesn't seem to be a quality Dallas prospect in sight at the moment for SMU, DISD or Suburban.

I kept waiting to read what you had to say about the new Juco recruit. I know you said we needed to sign another PG. No opinion!!

oh come on. I have been out of town and haven't posted anything since the last game. But now that you ask, that was a pretty dismal ending to a dismal season. I didn't feel like discussing it either. I did see the juco thread, and I am hopeful he can help, but the subject fell down the board. I am also worried about what i keep hearing as far as Faye and him being eligible next year. Net, net, we probably wont know what we have until January of next year. I just glanced at the board last night briefly and the most interesting and recent fodder. I read anything written by LA Mustang. That man knows his hoops. yet, excuse me for doing so and my selective responses, mathman. I'll tell you one thing i dont have and thats selective memory, unlike alot of people around here. have a good summer.

[mathman]

To be honest Hoop, I figured you were out of pocket. I am a little concerned about Faye also. But I really want to know what you think of the juco kid. I do respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it all the time. What do you know about him?

[MustangIcon]

oh come on. I have been out of town and haven't posted anything since the last game. But now that you ask, that was a pretty dismal ending to a dismal season. I didn't feel like discussing it either. I did see the juco thread, and I am hopeful he can help, but the subject fell down the board. I am also worried about what i keep hearing as far as Faye and him being eligible next year. Net, net, we probably wont know what we have until January of next year. I just glanced at the board last night briefly and the most interesting and recent fodder. I read anything written by LA Mustang. That man knows his hoops. yet, excuse me for doing so and my selective responses, mathman. I'll tell you one thing i dont have and thats selective memory, unlike alot of people around here. have a good summer.

No disrespect meant to LA Mustang here, but I found it funny that you cited him as your "knows his hoops" guy due to the timing of my just reading the Final Four picks thread. LA might want to rethink his Gtown and Indiana Final Four picks.

Again, no disrespect meant LA. By the way, I am still just as excited as you about Williams, the JUCO PG.

[PonySnob]

Wasn't Richeaul (spelling) Massey a 4* recruit?

[LA_Mustang]

No disrespect meant to LA Mustang here, but I found it funny that you cited him as your "knows his hoops" guy due to the timing of my just reading the Final Four picks thread. LA might want to rethink his Gtown and Indiana Final Four picks.

Again, no disrespect meant LA. By the way, I am still just as excited as you about Williams, the JUCO PG.

Yeah, not the smartest move to post that pick for all see. I really thought Indiana could make a run with White and Gordon??

[LA_Mustang]

Wasn't Richeaul (spelling) Massey a 4* recruit?

3 star....so was his brother who went to TCU

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/vi ... r_key=6100

[The XtC]

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Tell me Hoop. Do you honestly believe that? I for one do not. If he was staying close it was Baylor. If he was really intending to come to SMU before Tubbs got fired he and his handlers sure had an interesting way of showing it.[/quote]

I'm not surprised you dont believe Hoop Fan, and you may not believe me, either, but would you believe Quinton Ross if he told you the same thing? Next time you see Q, ask him where his cousin was ready to sign. Ask him.

[Big Hoss]

No reason we can't compete at a much higher level. Memphis can do it, why can't we?

I totally agree. But remember that Calipari has been at Memphis for 7 years now, and I don't think Memphis was a complete dog of a program when he took over. I could be wrong about that 2nd part, but if memory serves me right, they were at least an okay program before he got there.

Another thing that might have helped is that Calipari started building the Memphis program while part of a much stronger CUSA basketball conference. Losing Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, and DePaul really hurt CUSA competitively. I think having that strong of a conference in the early part of his tenure helped him build momentum. Notice I used the words "I think" so this is not concrete evidence, but my own opinion.

[bagice]

That is pretty much my take....to blame him not coming on the firing of Tubbs is simply not true...that was just the final nail.

#1 reason was the gawd awful season SMU had his senior year under Tubbs, that woulda scared the hell outta anybody.

#2 reason was the investigation of Tubbs by the NCAA.


I am not disputing his AAU coach said that, but that is just sour grapes and a way to stick up for his friend Tubbs.

[Pony81]

No way Arthur or any local stud comes to SMU under Tubbs.

When push comes to shove all that "brotherly DISD love" was nothing but window dressing. Tubbs went to the well immediately after he was hired and came back with nothing.

Basically his DISD people couldn't deliver the players because every top 5 Dallas kid has offers at all the marque programs. They are not going to going to SMU. Period full stop.

Which is why I don't fault Doh for recruiting nationally. Face it, the perception of SMU's among the locals is terrible. If Doh can get some winning seasons then we might get a great player once in a while.

Arthur's coach is just stirring the pot.

[Hoop Fan]

No way Arthur or any local stud comes to SMU under Tubbs.

When push comes to shove all that "brotherly DISD love" was nothing but window dressing. Tubbs went to the well immediately after he was hired and came back with nothing.

Basically his DISD people couldn't deliver the players because every top 5 Dallas kid has offers at all the marque programs. They are not going to going to SMU. Period full stop.

Which is why I don't fault Doh for recruiting nationally. Face it, the perception of SMU's among the locals is terrible. If Doh can get some winning seasons then we might get a great player once in a while.

Arthur's coach is just stirring the pot.

Do you really know what you are talking about or does it just sound good to you? Period, full stop? Yeah right. you draw your rock solid conclusions from one full recruiting class huh? Foolish, revisionist history. Nobody who had a clue thought that all of Dallas was going to come running to SMU the second Tubbs got hired. Even a guy with dallas connections was going to have to recruit the KIDS to the Hilltop and woo them through more than an overnight process. There were still obstacles for godsake. Now, let me give you some examples of stud Dallas players who have gone to SMU in the past 10 years, while Tubbs was lead recruiter. Give Dement some credit too, all of it if you want to, I dont really care. He deserves some because he reached out and emphasized local recruiting when he got here, and let Tubbs do some good. Nevertheless, here are some facts you seem oblivious to:

1. Jeryl Sasser - Kimball
2. Willie Davis - Lincoln
3. Damon H. - Lancaster
4. Quinton Ross - Kimball
5. Bryan Hopkins - Lincoln

There's 5. All very good players who had very good careers here.

[mustangxc]

I don't want to get into an argument, but I must add the inevitable question, how many post-season tournaments did we get to and how many post-season games did we win? If memory serves correctly the answers are 1 NIT and 0 wins so you can't necessarily say that local recruiting is the only way to get things turned around. SMU needs all the talent it can attract wherever we can get them from.

[Stallion]

On the other hand many of those players formed the basis of the best male athletic team in a revenue sport in a combined 38 years even with restrictive policies of recruitment and admissions. The talent from DFW was really pretty outstanding. Its the dead wood recruited outside of DFW and our restrictive policies which limited our success. Dement flat out had SMU right at the cusp but he could not get that JUCO big man to put us over the top. We got beat by schools like Tulsa and TCU who did get those JUCO/Transfers. In fact, in all those years of decent SMU BB is was always the teams with those JUCO/Transfers who ended up winning conference championships and NCAA Torney appearances. DFW High school players were not the problem.