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SMU FOOTBALL 7 ON 7 TOURNAMENTModerators: PonyPride, SmooPower
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Got me there. So did you use Wikipedia or Google to find that out?
Do Canadians/Englishmen spell genius with an o? I've never seen that one before... 
Regardless of semantics, if Hudman couldn't relate to a coach with no outstanding, publicly known problems with any other players, then that hints toward Hudman being more of a problem than said coach wanted to tell the media. He was doing BH a favor by not elaborating to anyone holding a microphone or a notebook. We've never lost the tailgate.
Really? The previous staff screamed and cussed at players constantly. Not that they can't handle profanity - they're college students, so they hear it and many use it every day - but after a while, that gets old. The new staff teaches constantly. The new staff encourages players more in a day than the old staff did in a week, or maybe a month. The new staff praises guys when they do things right. The old staff had full contact all the time - the new staff believes in perfecting plays (in terms of knowledge and execution) before knocking the crap out of each other. Oh my god. First of all ... "under the weather"? Copeland has cancer. That's more than "under the weather." He is, if nothing else, a good man and deserves our compassion, regardless of whether we think he was a horrible AD or a great AD (I fall somewhere in the middle). Secondly, why would he "screw this thing up on purpose"? Overlooking for a second the fact that you wouldn't know he had done anything on purpose UNLESS HE TOLD YOU THAT, what possible reason would he have for that? So he could leave a legacy that didn't cast him in a good light? He made some hires that worked, some that didn't, but to suggest his coaching hires that failed were intentional is idiotic. Some hires were made in part because of strong urging from outside parties, but yes, he is the one who made the hires. But there is no reason he would hire coaches in the hope that they would fail. If nothing else, he hires great coaches, they win, and Copeland looks like a genius. Hell, maybe there's a financial benefit in it: if he discovers the coach who rights the football and/or basketball ships, maybe Cope retires with a huge financial windfall. No, he got a four-year contract because he never had been a head coach before and because part of Cope's job was to fill the position within certain financial parameters that aren't made public to the rest of us. If Coach Tubbs had won more games - a lot more games - he would have received a fat contract extension, at which point he could have coached all of his recruits as fifth-year seniors. Then again, he didn't redshirt any of his recruits (did he?), so there would be no fifth-year seniors to coach, anyway. And you know how much about the DBs in Hawaii? Can you even name one without looking it up? Didn't think so.
Apparently you weren't on board during the search for a new coach. You would be better served getting your SMU info from Gary Patterson than Bigdaddy or his side kick biggin.
can a coach legally take away a scholarship for no reason?
i know, i know they can alway create or "invent" a reason but thats not an answer to my question can a coach just say "you're gone" without providing a reason? also if a player's scholarship was revoked but they were still attending SMU...could the player walk on and be on the team or could the coach legally refuse to allow them to walk on just for no reason? yes it's hypothetical but....I just wanna know C-ya @ Milos!
Huh? And to IPP, I'm pretty sure Head Coaches do have a sort of executive decision-making power there. It's just a common-sense thing that a coach should be able to cut a player, don't you think? Football isn't a required class, per say. As far as the scholarship thing goes, I'd love to see what the contract itself looks like (wasn't fast enough, myself) and see if there's an If-I-Cause-Trouble-I-Can-Get-Cut clause. We've never lost the tailgate.
I'm at a loss for words. I can't even begin to suggest how crass that comment is. The man has been sick - very sick - for several years, and it's described as "under the weather?" We're not talking about a flu here. "screwed this thing up on purpose...?" Are you serious? Coach Bennett's tenure will forever be linked with Copeland, and that doesn't create a positive perception, but Copeland did do a lot of good things, too - more good than bad. Let's keep this man and his family in our thoughts and remember him for what he did right. I have no idea about his prognosis, but I hope he enjoys a long, happy, healthy life.
My understanding is that coaches can dismiss a player for no reason, but rarely do - high school coaches and club coaches have long memories and big mouths, and it's not good business to do so. Every team has players who were stud recruits and don't pan out, and in the vast majority of those cases, those players sit at the end of the bench, participate in practice and work toward their degrees. If they get into disciplinary trouble, then it's a convenient way to send a player packing. But a coach who just doesn't like a kid? I bet that's pretty rare.
A couple of things.
1) In hindsight, it's pretty easy to criticize some of Copeland's hires. But I think Tubbs was pushed on Copeland pretty hard and Phil Bennett even sold me in about 10 minutes after meeting him (I was initially against the hire). Phil is one hell of a charismatic figure, and his enthusiasm was contagious – a great salesman if not a great strategist or evaluator a talent IMHO. Hiring Phil was a gamble that could've paid off just as easily as it could've flopped. Remember, after Cavan, nobody was throwing around $10 mil for a WOW coaching hire. 2) If anyone even dimly thinks Copeland tried to throw the program, I'd like to refer them to the NE corner of Mockingbird and Bishop Blvd. There stands Ford Stadium, the Altshuler Learning Center, etc. Arguably the nicest facility of its size in NCAA football. When I think of Copeland's legacy, I think of that. Ford Stadium wouldn't exist without Copeland selling the vision. 3) My understanding is that a scholarship is essentially a series of 4 (or 5) 1-year deals. They can get yanked at any time for any reason, though most coaches don't pull them unless there's a reason (see previous posts above). There are plenty of scholarship players that don't produce for one reason or another, and they never get their "ships" yanked. So I'm betting in Hudman's case there's a significant reason. If Hudman walks on and does well, I'd also be willing to bet he'd earn his ship back for his Sr. year. "It's a couple hundred million dollars. I'm not losing sleep over it." -- David Miller
If that was said, it probably made more sense in context of the larger discussion. But yes, I can imagine it. You weren't around when Josh McCown left SMU his Sr. year to toss 32 TDs for Sam Houston St. (leading the nation that year in passing as I recall) before being drafted by the Cardinals, playing for the Raiders and now the Dolphins. When interviewed about the departure of his frustrated #1 player, Coach Cavan said something to the effect that he had no idea McCown was upset about anything. So yes, coaches and players (even "franchise players") aren't always as tight as you'd probably assume. "It's a couple hundred million dollars. I'm not losing sleep over it." -- David Miller
I thought big programs pretty regularly (or at least used to) yank scholarships when the guys didn't produce and they thought they could get someone better.
The donkey's name is Kiki.
On a side note, anybody need a patent attorney? Good, Bad...I'm the one with the gun.
This wasn't for no reason but Josh Robinson is not part of the team anymore after getting his scholarship yanked so you know, it is what it is, they do what they want to do.
Athletic scholarships are one year contracts and can be yanked for any reason the Coach has Its my understanding that at least under Dement, Bennett and Copeland that was considered an unacceptable policy at SMU. But it obviously is not anymore based upon what I am seeing in FB and BB. Its common throughout College Athletics to give the Coach this discretion.
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