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Postby Argyle Pony » Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:54 pm

We must remember that last year we only won ONE game....A team that won one game has to look under the carpet and everywhere else for recruits...If our record is good this year...like 7-5 or 8-4....I see at least two or more recruits changing their mind and joining with us...for until their name is on the dotted line...we can hope...It is hard to believe three guys from Maud was signed by TCU...some say they are pretty good but doubt they will be there very long...such a small school...It may take two or three years for recruits, that we might want, to begin to join us...Can't help what some say and how negative some get...I still want to watch the Mustangs play and improve...not gonna change my mind...have followed them for a long time...and not gonna stop now...I saw SMU beat Navy when they were no. one with the Roger...And I see some more excitement coming...Go Mustangs!!!
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Postby Buddha » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:59 am

Tap the brakes there a little. We all are on the June Jones bandwagon, but let's not go raising expectations to 7-5 or 8-4. Yes, he might be the greatest coach in the history of the human race, and yes, some of the incoming freshmen seem impressive ... when playing catch in July ... but this is still largely the same talent we had last year. The team definitely is more talented than the record showed last year, but mix in a dose of reality with that heaping pile of optimism.
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Postby SMUer » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:20 am

mathman wrote:I really, really hope you aren't saying the two programs started anywhere close to the same place 20 years ago.


No, the penalties weren't the same: 10 scholarships is better than 0 and giving up post season play and two season's worth of TV revenue is preferable to having an entire season canceled. Still, TCU was about as deep in the NCAA's sh*thouse and facing penalties of similar severity as any other FB team has ever faced (hello 2002 Alabama). Saying "well TCU didn't have to rebuild 20 years ago" completely ignores the fact that our neighbor was building back up from a pretty shoddy house as well, at the same time.
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Postby deepellumfrog » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:54 am

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:
Corp wrote: #1, LT, considered offers from TCU, Kansas State, Baylor, UTEP

and North Texas. SMU was never even given remote consideration.


Because they sat there and told him son, there is no way you'll get in here, so best of luck.



Who is this "they" of which you speak? Fact is, LT was never recruited by SMU. Fact is, Pat Sullivan got lucky on a great player who was not highly recruited out of high school. Really ought to know the facts so you don't show your [deleted].
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Postby Kiper » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:52 am

Actually, hockeyguy is right. Our coaches were interested in LT at the time, but also realized that getting him in would be a losing battle, so they moved on. Yes, he turned out to be great, and yes, a lot of PonyFans wish we'd had him. But the fact is that he never had a chance to get in. He might have had no interest even if he could get in - never met the guy, don't know his feelings and don't care at this point. But academics killed his recruitment at SMU, just about before it ever started.
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Postby asphalt cowboy » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:09 am

I've decided this listing leaves too much to be desired. One month ago, wehad 8 recruits. Today they show us with 13. When we had 8, 4 were 3-star and 4 were 2-star. With 13 recruits, we are downgraded to 2 3-star, 6 2-star, and 5 0-star. DCTF & Randy Rodgers are more objective in their ratings. there are over 30,000 young men playing football in this state. I believe that DCTF & RR are much closer to the action and can give us a truer picture of this state Chris Atchison:6'4" & 280LBS whereas on rivals he is 6'0'' and weighs 256 lbs. Also other SMU recruits are shrinking violets on rivals. Other schools are not downgraded in this fashion. No games have been played so how have things changed? DCTF lists 15 off. lineman on its Super Team but rivals leaves 5 of those players off and adds 4 more. Wonder who is recruiting them? JJ knows what cooks. Instead of whining,moaning about the ones who got away and second guessing lets be more positive. That 1-11 record includes 3 game lost in OT, i with 2 seconds & 1 with 43 seconds left.
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Postby mrydel » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:23 am

I think you are confusing the Scout ratings and the Rivals rankings. Rivals has never had us with more than 2 three star recruits. Scout tends to rank them higher. None of our players have been downgraded to my knowledge.
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Postby Stallion » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:44 am

Basically Texas Football is a list of players-believe me maybe 1/3rd will never get a D1A offer. If they make the Top Players at their position then that is a higher recommendation. Rivals and to some extent Scout chart the actual, real world interest of the schools in a particular recruit by tracking the offers a recruit gets. If the Coaches are the experts- not the writers or recruiting services then reliance should be more generally based on actual offers by Division 1A Coaches UNLESS you think your Coach is a stinking genuis and smarter than all other Coaches combined(see all the fans of Phil Bennett on Ponyfans from 2001-2007). Rivals and Scout are GENERALLY more accurate on heights and weights but only if they have verified that information at camps. ALL other heights and weights from all sources are wildy inaccurate and unreliable-nothing more than guesstimates.
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Postby George S. Patton » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:04 am

Stallion wrote:Basically Texas Football is a list of players-believe me maybe 1/3rd will never get a D1A offer. If they make the Top Players at their position then that is a higher recommendation. Rivals and to some extent Scout chart the actual, real world interest of the schools in a particular recruit by tracking the offers a recruit gets. If the Coaches are the experts- not the writers or recruiting services then reliance should be more generally based on actual offers by Division 1A Coaches UNLESS you think your Coach is a stinking genuis and smarter than all other Coaches combined(see all the fans of Phil Bennett on Ponyfans from 2001-2007). Rivals and Scout are GENERALLY more accurate on heights and weights but only if they have verified that information at camps. ALL other heights and weights from all sources are wildy inaccurate and unreliable-nothing more than guesstimates.


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Postby couch 'em » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:35 am

Stallion wrote:(see all the fans of Phil Bennett on Ponyfans from 2001-2007).


But...but....but... but he's a nice guy! A good man!
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Postby Stallion » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:54 am

I was assured that he had a keen eye for talent too. A veritable "miracle Man"
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Postby 03Mustang » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:17 pm

Stallion wrote:I was assured that he had a keen eye for talent too. A veritable "miracle Man"


Key difference = JJ has some skins on the wall as a head coach
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Postby RedRiverPony » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:37 pm

Stallion wrote:Basically Texas Football is a list of players-believe me maybe 1/3rd will never get a D1A offer. If they make the Top Players at their position then that is a higher recommendation. Rivals and to some extent Scout chart the actual, real world interest of the schools in a particular recruit by tracking the offers a recruit gets. If the Coaches are the experts- not the writers or recruiting services then reliance should be more generally based on actual offers by Division 1A Coaches UNLESS you think your Coach is a stinking genuis and smarter than all other Coaches combined(see all the fans of Phil Bennett on Ponyfans from 2001-2007). Rivals and Scout are GENERALLY more accurate on heights and weights but only if they have verified that information at camps. ALL other heights and weights from all sources are wildy inaccurate and unreliable-nothing more than guesstimates.
The irony in that typo is a little staggering, isn't it?
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Postby SMU Hockey 2010 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:02 pm

Much like me being told to wear a helmit when I play...so clever.
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Postby asphalt cowboy » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:33 pm

I've been checking thesesites daily at least once and sometimes twice. Eight recruits:4 3-star and 4 2-star. I was quite surprised. Stallion,you need to read the articles on recruiting in DCTF. Believe me, when you do you will have a much different view of the "list of players" in DCTF. The percentage is mush higher than your 1/3. The real experts are the HS coaches in this state. It's quite obvious from the write-ups that DCTF has interviewed many of them. The HS coaches here know more about the players than anyone else and recognize D-1 talent. Where does the information come from for all these lists come from. It doesn't all come from camps. When UH became a member of the SWC, Bill Yeoman led them to three titles. These players were mostly unrecruited by other schools. DCTF is as accurate or inaccurate as any other service. The number of offers a player has is meaningless to me. I remember when an Aggie booster talked the coaching staff into offering a boy from a six man team from Christoval. Remember Jack Pardee?
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