Rice game rewatch

[Grider]

No idea what the answer to this is, but who did Leach start in his first year as head coach at Tech? Was there any similar dynamics there, i.e. experienced QB on the roster that may not have exactly fit into Leach's scheme?

[Stallion]

Based on the more recent years I have access to-these are TRUE FRESHMAN or 1st Year QBs who didn't start at Tech under Leach-and all were National Recruits:

Kliff Kingbury
Phillip Daugherty 3 Stars National No. 24
Graham Harrell 4 Stars National No. 7
Robert Johnson 5 Stars National No. 1(JC)
Chris Todd 3 Stars National No. 20
Taylor Potts 3 Stars National No. 13
Seth Doege 3 Stars National No. 18

There is 6 Nationally recruited QBs and yet none got the nod despite being about 10 times more highly recruited than Mitchell who was not a TEXAS Top 15 QB.

[SMU 86]

Stallion,

I could be reading this wrong, but it looks like Bo was a top 15 QB in Texas in 2008.

http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/quicklist ... =2008&qs=1

[Alaric]

So how would redshirting a TRUE Freshman hurt Mitchell's development-it would give him an EXTRA Year? ALL of TECH's starters have learned as a Freshman from the Bench and none started as a TRUE freshman and almost all were highly recruited. You're incorrect to state otherwise. Leach in fact has chosen not to start about 10 highly recruited true Freshman QBs

I never said redshirting BLM would hurt his development and I never said Leach started a true freshman. Leach did however say Harrell was basically the co-starter with Hodges but Harrell hurt his ankle forcing him to miss the first part of the season so he started fifth year senior Cody Hodges.

Leach says he'll start the best qb regardless of experience ike I think JJ thinks he's doing and Leach also says he'd prefer to have his qb's start for more than just a year to take advantage of continuity.

It's funny you mention Robert Johnson. Leach recruited him as a qb and tried to play him there but it didn't work because RJ wanted to run to much for Leach's liking. Leach moved his 5 star qb to wide receiver. Look it up if you don't believe me.

To answer someone else's question, Leach started sophomore Kliff Kingsbury who had started the year before for Spike Dykes. So Leach starts and sticks with a sophomore (Kingsbury), RS freshman (Harrell), senior, senior, senior

[OC Mustang]

Regrettably, I'm with Stallion on this one. I, as a fan, don't want to sacrifice this season if we don't have to. I don't want to because I don't believe the greater good is served by it, that being a Top 25 program consistently within 5 years. Jones' mojo would be better served by winning. His recruiting would be easier. The fan base would ease up a little, and he could get to where he wants in year two or three with a tailwind rather than a headwind.

I don't presume to talk for Stallion, but I think that's his point. He just doesn't like being called out on his assumptions because, well, he's always right...even if he isn't. That about sums it up.

[originaloverthehilltop1]

leach IS a good example because he tends to start the best qb whose leading skill is passing, not scrambling. becasue that's what best fits the offense he runs. the sooner our passing qbs get game experience, the sooner the run and shoot will click.

[PK]

Regrettably, I'm with Stallion on this one. I, as a fan, don't want to sacrifice this season if we don't have to. I don't want to because I don't believe the greater good is served by it, that being a Top 25 program consistently within 5 years. Jones' mojo would be better served by winning. His recruiting would be easier. The fan base would ease up a little, and he could get to where he wants in year two or three with a tailwind rather than a headwind.

I don't presume to talk for Stallion, but I think that's his point. He just doesn't like being called out on his assumptions because, well, he's always right...even if he isn't. That about sums it up.

Don't get me wrong here, because I really like JW, BUT Justin was only able to do what he did last year because of his improvisation as he ran for his life. I'm not sure he has the discipline necessary to run the run and shoot offense. My understanding of Jones' offense, requires the QB and the WR's to read the defense and react accordingly...quickly. Justin has in the past been too quick to dump the called play and take off running. JJ's offense doesn't work that way.

Despite all the big numbers put up by JW last year, they were not enough to give us a win. And before you say it...there were a lot of issues involved in our loses besides the productivity of the offense. Strictly from the QB perspective, last year I remember many comments regarding the fact that Justin did not do a good job of checking off his various receivers and finding the open one. In the run and shoot, you have to be able to do that quickly and then get rid of the ball. I hope that he continues to compete for the starting position and works his way back to the starting position, but if that ultimately does not happen I still admire his willingness to work hard and be a part of the team.

[Stallion]

"Leach moved his 5 star qb to wide receiver. Look it up if you don't believe me."

Alaric-the day I don't know something about recruiting-you'll be the first one I call. As for your point which you made so poorly-you lost.

[San Antonio Mustang]

Regrettably, I'm with Stallion on this one. I, as a fan, don't want to sacrifice this season if we don't have to. I don't want to because I don't believe the greater good is served by it, that being a Top 25 program consistently within 5 years. Jones' mojo would be better served by winning. His recruiting would be easier. The fan base would ease up a little, and he could get to where he wants in year two or three with a tailwind rather than a headwind.

I don't presume to talk for Stallion, but I think that's his point. He just doesn't like being called out on his assumptions because, well, he's always right...even if he isn't. That about sums it up.

What OC says is obviously true. Jones and SMU would be better served by wining instead of losing. But, what makes any of you think that Willis would win in the R & S than Mitchell. What I have seen for two years watching Willis is a fairly accurate, soft throwing, scrambling, and running quarterback. I am not able to tell how good Willis was at reading defenses. It looked to me, he would look at his primary receiver and if he was covered he would run.

What I saw last Friday night was a poised, accurate hard and quick throwing quarterback who did not try to turn the play into a running play when there was pressure. I was not able to tell how good Mitchell was at reading the defenses, but it appeared he did not stop with his primary receiver.

From what I understand about the R&S, until Justin can improve his accuracy, his speed of release, his reading of defenses, and break the habit of running at the first sign of pressure he will not be better than Mitchell in this offense. I will not be surprised to see Justin before the end of the year, particularly if Mitchell does not continue to improve and Justin does.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jones wants to win and win now.

[mrydel]

I always supported going with experience at QB due to the difference in speed and the adjustments to the game between HS and College.

The question that I have that never gets answered is why isn't Willis too short to be a D 1-A QB anymore? Wasn't that Stallion's beef? Me thinks there is just an argument looking for a reason going on here.

[Alaric]

I always supported going with experience at QB due to the difference in speed and the adjustments to the game between HS and College.

The question that I have that never gets answered is why isn't Willis too short to be a D 1-A QB anymore? Wasn't that Stallion's beef? Me thinks there is just an argument looking for a reason going on here.

Yea, in actuality, we're just going to have to wait and see how it turns out...oh wait a minute, Stallion declared himself the winner so JJ made a bad decision starting BLM over Willis.

[Dooby]

I am just not sure what Willis would have done better. Possibly, not had the two botched snaps.

And outside of QB, I have a hard time saying that there is any player riding pine that I would pick over the guy that is starting.

[ponydawg]

the day I don't know something about recruiting.

Is the Day Rivals shuts down......I kid I kid.

"I've forgotten more football than you'll ever know"
Was that the infamous line?

I was a JW fan and I hoped that he would start.
But know I am pulling for who the Head Coach thinks
should be the starter. BLM made some good and bad choices.
As pointed out before, JW had rough games his first year as a RS Fresh QB
against Tech (understandable) and against UNT. BLM showed promise against Rice, and will make more strides against Tx State, just like JW did against Sam Houston.

[ThadFilms]

I'd watch up to the point where the score was 13-0, then i'd delete it

Which is exactly what I did.