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Postby HB Pony Dad » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:45 pm

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By all means criticize the coaching choices...that makes the board interesting. However, four (4) games into the season, and we are all twitterpated because we aren't 2-2? What a waste of energy this is.


I doubt most people on PF are surprised by the 1-3 record but "how" we arrived here.

The first few minutes of the Rice game is probably the direction we are still looking for.

Unfortunately the "D" showed its lack of speed, size and planning,

The Freshman QB realized he is not in High School anymore and is overwhelmed by the speed of the opposing "D". His inability to improvise with his feet, his total lack of looking anywhere but at his primary receiver, and with all else failing, not just throwing it into the stands, is what irritates me most.

The fact that JJ wants to leave him in the fray may backfire and instead of
purifying his skills may in fact just burn them to ash.

SMU lacks size, speed, and skill so the 1-3 is no surprise, but the lack of intensity, emotion, leadership, and courage are too obvious to ignore.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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Postby OC Mustang » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:45 am

HB Pony Dad wrote:
OC Mustang wrote:
By all means criticize the coaching choices...that makes the board interesting. However, four (4) games into the season, and we are all twitterpated because we aren't 2-2? What a waste of energy this is.


I doubt most people on PF are surprised by the 1-3 record but "how" we arrived here.

The first few minutes of the Rice game is probably the direction we are still looking for.

Unfortunately the "D" showed its lack of speed, size and planning,

The Freshman QB realized he is not in High School anymore and is overwhelmed by the speed of the opposing "D". His inability to improvise with his feet, his total lack of looking anywhere but at his primary receiver, and with all else failing, not just throwing it into the stands, is what irritates me most.

The fact that JJ wants to leave him in the fray may backfire and instead of
purifying his skills may in fact just burn them to ash.

SMU lacks size, speed, and skill so the 1-3 is no surprise, but the lack of intensity, emotion, leadership, and courage are too obvious to ignore.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Recruiting anyone?


I'm with you. Really am. However, I think the speed he is seeing isn't CUSA speed. His pics versus Rice, if Flanigan is to be believed, were as much the result of receivers routes and O-line not catching up to the defensive stunts as they were QB mistakes. Judging BLM versus TTech and TCU is skewed, IMHO.
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Postby Stallion » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:10 am

Example of Grading on the SMU Sliding Scale.
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Postby davidpaul123 » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:12 am

I think the lack of offense in the games against Tech and TCU was a big let-down. We know the defense is terrible but I think even Jones thought we would score more points... even with a Freshman under center.
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Postby George S. Patton » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:21 am

Stallion wrote:Example of Grading on the SMU Sliding Scale.


So you're saying he should have thrown for 250 yards and 2 TDs in each game against two Top 25 teams who are a combined 8-0 and have talent far superior than us?

If that's what you're inferring, then that's insane.

You of all people know where we are in the talent disparity issue and that we've got a long way to go to stay on the field with the likes of Tech and unfortunately, TCU.

However, we are in a conference where our talent is closer to the remaining teams on this schedule than the last two teams we played.

The thing I'm looking for is how well this offense is run in October and November. That's where you'll find out if this quarterback is really coming along or not.
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Postby ponyboy » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:30 am

That was your best post ever.
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Postby EastStang » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:58 am

Unlike Phil Bennett, June Jones is a name coach who can get into doors that Bennett couldn't. Further, Jones is better positioned to recuit outside of Texas if need be. If he needs to take a trip to Samoa and get a bunch of guys whose names we cannot pronounce, go for it. If he needs to go to PA, NJ, and Ohio with offers of a great education, hot Texas women and a warmer climate, do it. Bennett could never do that. He was a Texas only coach. And when the well in Texas dried up, he was toast. Jones can like Doherty look elsewhere and then when we start winning, the recruits will start opening the door.
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Postby StallionsModelT » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:58 am

EastStang,

June Jones is a name coach, but if we are in Texas dammit. We ought to be able to get some kids from around here and field a half-ass competitive team. I've watched all 3 games this season and I will be SHOCKED if we stay within 20 points of anyone left on our schedule. The team that went 0-12 a few years ago was more effective on both sides of the ball than this team. Yes we're playing a boatload of freshmen, but we are DREADFUL. Just DREADFUL. Its going to take longer than any of us initially thought to get this thing going. As I said, we are bare minimum 4 years away from bowl contention. Hell maybe not even then. Just one bowl appearance in the Jones era is what I'm hoping for.
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Postby abezontar » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:46 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:EastStang,

June Jones is a name coach, but if we are in Texas dammit. We ought to be able to get some kids from around here and field a half-[deleted] competitive team. I've watched all 3 games this season and I will be SHOCKED if we stay within 20 points of anyone left on our schedule. The team that went 0-12 a few years ago was more effective on both sides of the ball than this team. Yes we're playing a boatload of freshmen, but we are DREADFUL. Just DREADFUL. Its going to take longer than any of us initially thought to get this thing going. As I said, we are bare minimum 4 years away from bowl contention. Hell maybe not even then. Just one bowl appearance in the Jones era is what I'm hoping for.


Get over yourself. It's been 4 games, and anybody with a brain knew we wouldn't tear the world up this year (for the record, I thought we would tear the world up this year). Settle in, enjoy the Boulevard, and be patient, we have no idea what is going to happen in the next five years, five months or five days with this program.
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Postby StallionsModelT » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:53 pm

Get over myself? Dude this isn't about me or anyone on this board as much as some posters would love for it to be. Its about the team. You're telling me you're not the least bit alarmed by our play so far? I think most fans knew when we were going to roll with a true freshman QB we weren't going to set the world on fire this year, but for the love of all that is holy I don't think we thought it would be this bad, especially on offense. Like I said initially, I still have hope that this is going to work out, but we are clearly WAY behind schedule. I'm not saying get rid of the guy. He's been successful just about everywhere he's gone, but even he is beyond belief at this situation. Don't kid yourselves. We are the worst team in the country. Period.
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Postby abezontar » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:54 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:Get over myself? Dude this isn't about me or anyone on this board as much as some posters would love for it to be. Its about the team. You're telling me you're not the least bit alarmed by our play so far? I think most fans knew when we were going to roll with a true freshman QB we weren't going to set the world on fire this year, but for the love of all that is holy I don't think we thought it would be this bad, especially on offense. Like I said initially, I still have hope that this is going to work out, but we are clearly WAY behind schedule. I'm not saying get rid of the guy. He's been successful just about everywhere he's gone, but even he is beyond belief at this situation. Don't kid yourselves. We are the worst team in the country. Period.


How is that different from the last 20 years?
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Postby StallionsModelT » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:59 pm

My point exactly. How much more of this garbage are people going to put with before they reach the breaking point? Its the same song, different verse every year. Only you could make the argument that we weren't the worst team in America for most of those years. This year there is no doubt in my mind there isn't a worse div.1a football team than Southern Methodist University and it isn't even close.
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Postby Jim W. Jones » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:02 pm

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Postby abezontar » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:10 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:My point exactly. How much more of this garbage are people going to put with before they reach the breaking point? Its the same song, different verse every year. Only you could make the argument that we weren't the worst team in America for most of those years. This year there is no doubt in my mind there isn't a worse div.1a football team than Southern Methodist University and it isn't even close.


No, you really couldn't. Most of those years we were just as bad as we are now. Were we bad then? Yes. Are we bad now? Yes. Is anything different from the previous years? Yes. We have a coach who resurrected a program, and supposedly, we adjusted the academic/entrance standards to be competitive with the rest of the NCAA. If anything, you should have more hope now that things will improve than at any time in the previous years. Instead, you cry that the sky has fallen and we will probably have to scrap the program.

We were just as bad the last two years, we just had an exceptional athlete handling the ball that could make things happen when everything went wrong. Unfortunately, you aren't going to be able to build a program that way. I have been frustrated with our performance, because I secretly hoped we would have a turn around like Hawaii did JJ's first year, but I don't think we need to throw up our hands and kill the thing just when we've begun to try to compete on a level playing field.
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Postby J.T.supporta » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:11 pm

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