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Postby ReedFrawg » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:03 pm

PK wrote:
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PK wrote:I think this year has proved that coaching does not trump size and talent. TCU's defensive backs are a perfect example of the advantages of size along with speed. Your DB's are huge compared to ours and very fast. It makes a difference for sure.


Certainly talent is important but I think SMU is just as talented as Tulane, UTEP and Memphis. Our starting corners are actually pretty small:
Priest 5'10" 163 lbs
Sanders 5'10" 174 lbs
Well then it is all the other guys back there behind the line and between the corners I'm thinking about. 8)


I hear that...our LBs and safeties are pretty big.
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Postby San Antonio Mustang » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:38 pm

First of all I disagree with almost all of the points made by the OP. Generally I agree with OC Mustang and will not rebut the OP point by point.
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Postby EastStang » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:33 pm

As BUS and I have long advocated, BIG UGLIES are where games are won or lost. Without strength and size in the line, you won't win. If your D-line is undersized, they get pushed around and safeties start having to make tackles. If your O-line is undersized, the QB spends his career running for his life. and forget running plays. You get a few Sasquatches in there and you will start winning. Or 5 or six Louie Kelchers. SMU since the DP has had a distinct size disadvantage.
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Postby Stallion » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:35 pm

we did alright with Eric Ferguson, Harvey Armstrong, Michael Carter and Byron Hunt too.
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Postby FroggieFever » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:46 pm

Not that it matters, but I've said this before, June Jones is not a snug fit for SMU nor the CUSA. Unfortunatly, it will take three to four years for everyone to agree.
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Postby smupony94 » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:00 pm

FroggieFever wrote:Not that it matters, but I've said this before, June Jones is not a snug fit for SMU nor the CUSA. Unfortunatly, it will take three to four years for everyone to agree.


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Postby papawasamustang » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:25 pm

Stallion wrote:we did alright with Eric Ferguson, Harvey Armstrong, Michael Carter and Byron Hunt too.


Wouldn't u love 2 c something close to a Wes Hopkins or Russell Carter head hunting in the defensive backfield.

This just points out that it does come down more to the players & not so much the coaches.
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Postby The PonyGrad » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:26 pm

FroggieFever wrote:Not that it matters, but I've said this before, June Jones is not a snug fit for SMU nor the CUSA. Unfortunatly, it will take three to four years for everyone to agree.


I do not see any problem with JJ in the C-USA. What is your point?

Our biggest problems are skill level of players and the choice to go with "potential" over experience.
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Postby 03Mustang » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:28 pm

FroggieFever wrote:Not that it matters, but I've said this before, June Jones is not a snug fit for SMU nor the CUSA. Unfortunatly, it will take three to four years for everyone to agree.


And aside from the fact that SMU is a coaching graveyard, how exactly do you know that?
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Postby Stallion » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:03 pm

really my only concern about June Jones from Day 1 is whether he can recruit in Texas with very few Texas contacts. I think that will be answered next year when he doesn't start the race 2 months behind like this year. With such an early committed class, June Jones and staff can now begin concentrating on the 2010 Class starting this November, identify their top prospects and begin offering in March like everybody else is. Last year schools were out of the gate in recruiting before Jones knew how to pronounce Mexia, Waxahachie or Refugio and of course, he had little contact with the 2009 Class in the crucial junior year which he will in 2010.
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Postby EastStang » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:08 pm

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Postby mrydel » Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:13 pm

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Postby Glenn Sosbee » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:09 pm

papawasamustang wrote:Coaches get too much credit when the team wins & to much of the blame when they lose. It comes down to talented players & we just don't have enough of them.

Although I totally disagree with the way JWill has been handled I think JJ will do the same thing here he did in Hawaii.
June Jones has been a disaster. This run and shoot crap was tried under Rossley and was just as failed back then. Our defense may the worst unit in NCAA history.

I'm with Mike Cavan. "I've had enough".
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Postby Pony Ride » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:35 pm

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papawasamustang wrote:Coaches get too much credit when the team wins & to much of the blame when they lose. It comes down to talented players & we just don't have enough of them.

Although I totally disagree with the way JWill has been handled I think JJ will do the same thing here he did in Hawaii.
June Jones has been a disaster. This run and shoot crap was tried under Rossley and was just as failed back then. Our defense may the worst unit in NCAA history.

I'm with Mike Cavan. "I've had enough".


Out of curiousity, what would you have done after Cavan to help our program succeed or do you think we cut Cavan off too quickly?
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Postby Glenn Sosbee » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:50 pm

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papawasamustang wrote:Coaches get too much credit when the team wins & to much of the blame when they lose. It comes down to talented players & we just don't have enough of them.

Although I totally disagree with the way JWill has been handled I think JJ will do the same thing here he did in Hawaii.
June Jones has been a disaster. This run and shoot crap was tried under Rossley and was just as failed back then. Our defense may the worst unit in NCAA history.

I'm with Mike Cavan. "I've had enough".


Out of curiousity, what would you have done after Cavan to help our program succeed or do you think we cut Cavan off too quickly?
All I know is Cavan had SMU closer to a bowl game than anyone since Bobby Collins. I also remember him responding to SMU saying they had "seen enough" by saying he had "had enough" after his final game, then walking off into the sunset with his wife.

As far as what I would do to help our program succeed? Recruit some running backs and start running the option again. I think it was Darrell Royal that said, "Three things can happen when you throw the ball, and two of them are bad".
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