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Postby George S. Patton » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:44 am

I don't think so. Then why would these numbers be posted unless there wasn't a message behind them? We know these QBs were at different stages of their college careers when they started with Jones both with the offense and where they were physically. Those are facts as well.

Just come out and say you think Mitchell was the wrong choice and be done with it. And stop hiding behind the numbers.
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Postby RednBlue11 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:11 pm

George S. Patton wrote:I don't think so. Then why would these numbers be posted unless there wasn't a message behind them? We know these QBs were at different stages of their college careers when they started with Jones both with the offense and where they were physically. Those are facts as well.

Just come out and say you think Mitchell was the wrong choice and be done with it. And stop hiding behind the numbers.


i have always in fact thought he was the wrong choice...i remember a post months ago pointing out that we have a recent and disastrous history of starting freshman who dont make it successfully past their 2nd year....the information provided about their 1st years had no context it was just raw, clearly colt was better but to be fair like i think you were getting at, he had a couple ears in college to gain experience that BLM has not had....i fear his talent has been spoiled and we will not get his full potential now, based on recent history.
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Postby J.T.supporta » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:27 pm

the real question is, will we ever have athletes to run an O like that??? :?: :?: :?:
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Postby RednBlue11 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:29 pm

J.T.supporta wrote:the real question is, will we ever have athletes to run an O like that??? :?: :?: :?:


he got them in hawaii so there isnt really any reason to think we cant get them here.
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Postby J.T.supporta » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:31 pm

RednBlue11 wrote:
J.T.supporta wrote:the real question is, will we ever have athletes to run an O like that??? :?: :?: :?:


he got them in hawaii so there isnt really any reason to think we cant get them here.


true but this is SMU FOOTBALL
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Postby RednBlue11 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:34 pm

J.T.supporta wrote:
RednBlue11 wrote:
J.T.supporta wrote:the real question is, will we ever have athletes to run an O like that??? :?: :?: :?:


he got them in hawaii so there isnt really any reason to think we cant get them here.


true but this is SMU FOOTBALL


we say that now, but hawaii literally had no history of any kind if winning to speak of and build pride in.
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Postby LA_Mustang » Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:56 pm

George S. Patton wrote:I don't think so. Then why would these numbers be posted unless there wasn't a message behind them? We know these QBs were at different stages of their college careers when they started with Jones both with the offense and where they were physically. Those are facts as well.

Just come out and say you think Mitchell was the wrong choice and be done with it. And stop hiding behind the numbers.

Slow down there, bud. I have consistently posted during the season that playing Mitchell is a mistake. Feel free to go back and look at my posts. I am not hiding behind numbers...but they certainly strengthen my argument. Great coaches adjust their system to best fit the players they have...but JJ forced a player who was obviously not ready for the college game into the starting roll and the results speak for themselves.
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Postby George S. Patton » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:08 pm

LA_Mustang wrote:
George S. Patton wrote:I don't think so. Then why would these numbers be posted unless there wasn't a message behind them? We know these QBs were at different stages of their college careers when they started with Jones both with the offense and where they were physically. Those are facts as well.

Just come out and say you think Mitchell was the wrong choice and be done with it. And stop hiding behind the numbers.

Slow down there, bud. I have consistently posted during the season that playing Mitchell is a mistake. Feel free to go back and look at my posts. I am not hiding behind numbers...but they certainly strengthen my argument. Great coaches adjust their system to best fit the players they have...but JJ forced a player who was obviously not ready for the college game into the starting roll and the results speak for themselves.


How do you know that Jones didn't adjust his system to fit Mitchell? I certainly don't know if he did because I don't all of the ins and outs of his offense. I get the concept, of course.

Your numbers are apples and oranges because of what I said where each QB was in his career. Now, if you want to compare the numbers through 11 games next year when Mitchell is a sophomore, then I'll give you that.
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Postby RednBlue11 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:10 pm

George S. Patton wrote:
LA_Mustang wrote:
George S. Patton wrote:I don't think so. Then why would these numbers be posted unless there wasn't a message behind them? We know these QBs were at different stages of their college careers when they started with Jones both with the offense and where they were physically. Those are facts as well.

Just come out and say you think Mitchell was the wrong choice and be done with it. And stop hiding behind the numbers.

Slow down there, bud. I have consistently posted during the season that playing Mitchell is a mistake. Feel free to go back and look at my posts. I am not hiding behind numbers...but they certainly strengthen my argument. Great coaches adjust their system to best fit the players they have...but JJ forced a player who was obviously not ready for the college game into the starting roll and the results speak for themselves.


How do you know that Jones didn't adjust his system to fit Mitchell? I certainly don't know if he did because I don't all of the ins and outs of his offense. I get the concept, of course.

Your numbers are apples and oranges because of what I said where each QB was in his career. Now, if you want to compare the numbers through 11 games next year when Mitchell is a sophomore, then I'll give you that.


are you intimating that Jones "dumbed" it down and intentionally reduced his offense and its effectiveness just for Levi's sake?
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Postby LA_Mustang » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:14 pm

btw, here are the awards and recognition J Willis received as a QB at SMU:

freshman:
- Picked as the Conference USA Freshman of the Year by the league's coaches and media
- Named a third-team Freshman All-American by The Sporting News
- Named SMU's Offensive MVP

soph:
- An honorable mention All-C-USA selection by the league's coaches
- Set a new single-season total offense record with 3,643 yards
- His 2,944 yards passing is third-best ever in a season at SMU

As a HEALTHY junior he is the 3rd string QB and the only way he can get on the field is as a WR and returner.

Yet even though we are 1-10 and our QB has as many INTs as TDs no one even brings this up and everyone gives JJ a free pass because he is JJ.
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Postby George S. Patton » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:29 pm

I didn't infer anything. There are many ways to adjust an offense or do whatever to fit the quarterback who is running it.

As for giving Jones a free pass? That's up to you. All I know is that he had a pretty good record at Hawaii, took the program to several bowls including the Sugar Bowl last year.

Y'all's mantra is that Willis should have started. That's fine. It's also not your decision. I still am indifferent about the decision but it is what it is. Just keep in mind that with all those honors as a sophomore, Willis and co. went 1-11. So what are we talking about?

I will say that the lack of discipline in Justin's game is not what Jones wants from his QB. That I said at the beginning ot the season. He wants his QB to stay in there and follow a read all the way through. With Willis, at the first sign of pressure, the chances of him taking off were greater. And Jones doesn't want that.

Willis game and Jones' style do not mix. Period.

My mantra is that the whole has had to be turned inside out. And I just believe there are a bunch of upper classmen turds running around this program who aren't committed to it.

And I betcha when Jones picked up on that, he wanted players in his system who were going to want to do it his way.
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Postby SMU21TCU10 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:43 am

J.T.supporta wrote:the real question is, will we ever have athletes to run an O like that??? :?: :?: :?:


I could be wrong, but I think that JJ said before that nearly all his recruiting at Hawaii was done by tape only, as they could not get to the mainland to see the recruits and couldn't fly them out. And he said there was almost no early recruiting and many people they got was after signing day?

Anyway i believe he said that last year, so maybe he will eventually get athletes as good as that.

Maybe i imagined that though
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Postby J.T.supporta » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:46 am

SMU21TCU10 wrote:
J.T.supporta wrote:the real question is, will we ever have athletes to run an O like that??? :?: :?: :?:


I could be wrong, but I think that JJ said before that nearly all his recruiting at Hawaii was done by tape only, as they could not get to the mainland to see the recruits and couldn't fly them out. And he said there was almost no early recruiting and many people they got was after signing day?

Anyway i believe he said that last year, so maybe he will eventually get athletes as good as that.

Maybe i imagined that though


heres to hoping your imagination comes to life :lol:
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Postby Warbow » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:46 am

George S. Patton wrote:
LA_Mustang wrote:Colt's first year:
yards: 4301
completion %: 68%
TDs: 35
INTs: 13
record: 5-7

Mitchell this year:
yards: 2612
completion %: 58%
TDs: 23
INTs: 21
record: 1-10


Maybe you guys should compare BLM to Timmy Chang instead. Two high school recruits.
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Postby expony18 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:16 pm

Warbow wrote:
George S. Patton wrote:
LA_Mustang wrote:Colt's first year:
yards: 4301
completion %: 68%
TDs: 35
INTs: 13
record: 5-7

Mitchell this year:
yards: 2612
completion %: 58%
TDs: 23
INTs: 21
record: 1-10




Maybe you guys should compare BLM to Timmy Chang instead. Two high school recruits.


or


yards: 2047
completion %: 67.4%
TDs: 26
INTs: 6
record: 6-6


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