The Official Big 10 is Being Exposed As Fraud Thread

[Charleston Pony]

so much of these bowl records is match-ups. After posting this about the Big 10, I can't imagine what happens if Ohio State should somehow beat Texas. Yes, the PAC-10 took it's lumps during the regular season, so this is sweet for them. Ohio State is the Big 10's last hope...just like last night's Va Tech win was big for the ACC

Go ECU & Tulsa!!!

[Pony Soup]

so much of these bowl records is match-ups. After posting this about the Big 10, I can't imagine what happens if Ohio State should somehow beat Texas. Yes, the PAC-10 took it's lumps during the regular season, so this is sweet for them. Ohio State is the Big 10's last hope...just like last night's Va Tech win was big for the ACC

Go ECU & Tulsa!!!

No kidding!! With over a month to game plan one team, I think anyone can beat anyone, regardless of team quality.

[Hilltopper]

Waaah! Can we stop this?

You stop singing the praises of that has-been conference and others might stop ripping it apart. It doesn't hold a candle to the SEC, ACC, Pac-10 or Big 12. Thanks to that bunch of posers for a predictably embarrassing showing in the bowls.

Clearly Iowa and Ohio State should move to the Big 12 to help make the Big 12 North mor competitive wth the South.

[George S. Patton]

Waaah! Can we stop this?

You stop singing the praises of that has-been conference and others might stop ripping it apart. It doesn't hold a candle to the SEC, ACC, Pac-10 or Big 12. Thanks to that bunch of posers for a predictably embarrassing showing in the bowls.

Clearly Iowa and Ohio State should move to the Big 12 to help make the Big 12 North mor competitive wth the South.

I did not write the above. So somebody better own up to the hijinx.


As for the Miami-Ohio St championship, if you're gonna plays for the Buckeyes on the questionable PI in the end zone, then go back and watch the OSU possession in the fourth quarter that I believe led to the game-tying field goal.

On a third down conversion, Miami should have been flagged for PI for knocking the OSU WR out of bounds.

We only remember what we want to remember, don't we? Ohio State deserved that national title and as far as I know, that crystal ball is sitting in Columbus not Miami.

[Pony Soup]

Waaah! Can we stop this?

You stop singing the praises of that has-been conference and others might stop ripping it apart. It doesn't hold a candle to the SEC, ACC, Pac-10 or Big 12. Thanks to that bunch of posers for a predictably embarrassing showing in the bowls.

Clearly Iowa and Ohio State should move to the Big 12 to help make the Big 12 North mor competitive wth the South.

Hilltopper moves into the top position on PS's list of top 10 posts of 2009. A+.

[HB Pony Dad]

Ohio State deserved that national title and as far as I know, that crystal ball is sitting in Columbus not Miami.

And I cleaned up taking OSU plus points (I kept saying that I thought OSU would win outright but everone taking my bet felt so sorry for me they insisted I take the points).

So the General and I say "he who laughs last, LAUGHS BEST!"

Posted on an effing Mac as Thad appropriated my "New World... New Thinking...Old IBM Design" Lenovo (MADE IN CHEENA) Laptop!

[Pony Soup]

can this also be the "exposing the big ten official as a fraud" thread? That [deleted] in the ECU kentucky game was just plain awful

[George S. Patton]

Ohio State deserved that national title and as far as I know, that crystal ball is sitting in Columbus not Miami.

And I cleaned up taking OSU plus points (I kept saying that I thought OSU would win outright but everone taking my bet felt so sorry for me they insisted I take the points).

So the General and I say "he who laughs last, LAUGHS BEST!"

Posted on an effing Mac as Thad appropriated my "New World... New Thinking...Old IBM Design" Lenovo (MADE IN CHEENA) Laptop!

I say kudos to your Trojans for the Rose Bowl performance. Kinda jacked around in the second half but oh well.

If you laid the points with USC, betcha that snap over the punter's head at the end made things a little interesting.

It's a disappointing time for the Best Conference in America!

[HB Pony Dad]

I say kudos to your Trojans for the Rose Bowl performance. Kinda jacked around in the second half but oh well.

It's a disappointing time for the Best Conference in America!

Thad and I were amazed at the Penn State players as they are equally the top of the line! Their D Linemen were huge, fast, and talented (are you watching SMU?).

As we sat in the Rose Bowl, Thad and I commented that it was such a waste of talent that Penn State couldn't design appropriate plays for such skilled players.

[ThadFilms has grabbed the computer because HB can't seem to

say what he means.]

What he was trying to say is that -- say perhaps SMU had Penn State's players, SMU would be unstoppable. Or more to the point, the plays that were called for PSU sucked. And not just sucked, they were something less than... something that words can't describe, or perhaps some words can, but they are not aloud on this board.

[Thaddeus/ThadFilms out.]

We are eating Bratwurst and watching the Mormons kick tail so to be continued... perhaps!

[mrydel]

HBPD: If you feed Thad he will never leave. He is like a stray cat.










You know I kid Thad friend.

[ThadFilms]

HBPD: If you feed Thad he will never leave. He is like a stray cat.










You know I kid Thad friend.

You may be joking but the fruit of that joke doesn't fall too far from the truth tree. HBPD may soon need a liquor run. (We did the grocery store run today..... perhaps HB was prescient and shared your concerns/wisdom/depressing knowledge of my reality.)

[smupony94]

COMMENTARY: KIRK BOHLS
Big Ten not so big anymore
Saturday, January 03, 2009

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — The subject, as it has almost since the final whistle the BCS championship game in the Superdome last January, turned to the Big Ten's deteriorating image as a second-class major conference.

The Ohio State players have acknowledged the widely held perception that the Big Ten has slipped and that the Buckeyes are in large part to blame, after being outscored by a combined score of 79-38 during their woeful performances in the last two national championship games.

Perhaps all is not lost. After all, two Big Ten teams made it to BCS games for the fourth consecutive year.

"Penn State," Buckeyes tight end Rory Nicol said Thursday morning, "could really help the Big Ten today."

Uh, not so much.

USC 38, Penn State 24. And it wasn't nearly that close.

Back of the line, Big Ten. Move up when you're ready to play prime-time football and join the Big 12 and the SEC as the marquee leagues.

That might not be for a while. The Big Ten continues to slide.

Its teams are 1-5 in bowl games so far, with only resurgent Iowa a winner. Ohio State's game against Texas in Monday's Fiesta Bowl is the league's last chance for redemption.

Asked if the Buckeyes have been unfairly criticized, cornerback Malcolm Jenkins said, "I wouldn't say unfairly. If I wasn't in this conference, I would probably say the same thing about us. I guess that's one way to prove how your conference is, how you play in the postseason."

Let's be real. The decline of the Big Ten is about so much more than two lopsided losses by the Buckeyes to SEC elite teams LSU and Florida. The Big Ten was fading before that and has lost five straight BCS games. With the Nittany Lions' loss, the Big Ten reps have dropped every Rose Bowl since Wisconsin's win in January 2000. Even Ohio State's national title in 2003 was tainted because of a late pass interference call.

"Until things start changing in that realm," Buckeyes linebacker James Laurinaitis said, "you can't go out in the media and say that's nonsense."

Chief among the reasons for the franchise league's falloff is inferior quarterback play. The best quarterback in the Big Ten — either Penn State's Darryl Clark or Ohio State's blossoming Terrelle Pryor — would probably rank seventh or lower as a Big 12 quarterback.

Fewer blue-chip recruits want to play in cold-weather sites, such as Ann Arbor or East Lansing, Mich., when they can train year-round and play in warm paradises in the South and West.

The Big Ten's style of play is conducive to the weather but doesn't necessarily attract the elite athlete.

"They're throwing the ball 40, 50, 60 times," Ohio State receiver Brian Robiskie said of the Big 12. "You look at the Big Ten, and that's hard to do when it's snowing and 5 degrees below zero."

Top schoolboy talent would rather play for young, aggressive coaches like Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops than Joe Paterno and whomever the Indiana coach is now. The top 22 at Ohio State or Penn State are probably just as good as those at Texas or Oklahoma or Florida, but the next 50 would reveal greater separation.

Big Ten speed can't match that in the SEC, Big 12 or Pac-10. That's why Purdue has gone to Florida to mine that state for 11 recruits this year. Other than Michigan, Big Ten schools rarely recruit nationally, preferring to stay largely in their geographic footprint.

Penn State had a rare great season. Michigan is a mess, losing nine games and finishing 109th nationally in offense. Minnesota lost its last five games. Florida State embarrassed Wisconsin in the Champs Sports Bowl. Michigan State has a climber in coach Mark Dantonio but didn't have the speed to contend with Georgia in the Capital One Bowl.

So much comes down to the man under center. One Big 12 coach said the differences between quarterbacks in his league and the Big Ten are gaping. Michigan recently lost one of its quarterback commitments to, gulp, Tulsa.

"What I saw in evaluating the Big Ten and Big 12 is the difference at quarterback play," a Big 12 coach said. "It's obvious. You see spots that are open, and the ball (from Big Ten quarterbacks) doesn't get there."

It's not like the Big Ten hasn't had its share of outstanding throwers. Purdue exported Drew Brees and Kyle Orton to the NFL. Michigan's had so many, including Brian Griese, Todd Collins and Tom Brady, who was a sixth-round draft pick by the Patriots before becoming an NFL icon.

The Big Ten does have some decent quarterbacks who could flourish. Illinois' Juice Williams could reduce his turnovers in his senior season, while some consider Minnesota's Adam Weber and Iowa's overachieving Ricky Stanzi promising juniors.

Three top 10 dual-threat high school quarterbacks are committed to Big Ten schools — one-time Michigan pledge Kevin Newsome (Penn State), San Diego's Tate Forcier (Michigan) and Nathan Scheelhaase (Illinois) — and Tajh Boyd out of Virginia has Ohio State on his short list. Pryor figures to be a star.

Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez might ultimately be the best thing to happen to the Big Ten since Ohio State coach Jim Tressel. Rodriguez will revolutionize that conference with a dynamic spread offense like Penn State and Northwestern now feature. But it could take time.

Buckeyes receiver Brian Hartline said he and his brother, Mike, who is a Kentucky quarterback, discuss the leagues' differences all the time. "It's totally different football," the junior said. "The SEC plays more man techniques, the Big Ten more zone. But it's good football."

Good football, but no longer great. The Big Ten may have to settle for trying to be the third-best league behind the Big 12 and SEC. Even that might be a reach.

[huskerpony]

The Big Ten may have to settle for trying to be the third-best league behind the Big 12 and SEC. Even that might be a reach.

This guy must be joking! Third? I would say fourth or fifth might be a reach! Did he not read his own article? Where he just got finished talking about the Big 10 being dominated by the Pac 10 for so many years?

In addition to football, sounds like they need some help with counting up there in Big 10 country!

(I guess that figures since they don't even know how many teams they have!)

[expony18]

another one bites the dust

[ThadFilms]

At least they have a good band.