Did playing on the island inflate the Jones record?

[KnuckleStang]

The keeper is the only one who has answered the question. Others are so caught up in spewing venom at me rather than actually thinking about it.

Believe it or not, this particular thread is not about spewing venom at GSP. Stallion offered one major advantage, I offered 5 major disadvantages. Not sure the one outweighs the five is all I'm saying

[Stallion]

I agree-I think the General in some posts actually now raises some interesting debatable points-I think there was a home field advantage and I think there are questions whether the Run and Shoot is a Championship Offense. If he makes a decent point then rebutt him with a decent response

[RGV Pony]

I'm a JJ supporter, and can acknowledge for certain the improvement we've seen across the board. Just to allow fair time, however, and play devil's advocate, I'm going to give a tip of the cap to expony and some of the other stuff I've heard which is that we landed JJ because JJ chose us. Had ED not been involved, we wouldve wound up with Fran.

Yall will all [deleted] and moan etc, but keep in mind that I'm pro-JJ and pro-this staff...look at my avatar...but, just for argument's sake, I'm pretty sure if Fran had come in here, JWill wouldve been a pretty good match for his 'O'. And it's already been shown that Fran did a pretty good job recruiting at TCU even in the shadow of Pat Sullivan's calamitous reign.

All of this is moot, however, as JJ is our coach, is gonna be our coach, and we are fortunate to have him. Period. We could just have easily said what if JJ had gotten Kraft? What if little Snotty whatever his name is had committed here and not TTech for next year? Doesn't matter. Reality is what reality is. Gotta give it time.

[giacfsp]

The keeper is the only one who has answered the question. Others are so caught up in spewing venom at me rather than actually thinking about it.

No, Knucklestang and Hal also answered with cogent, valid points. But since they don't agree with you, you choose to ignore them?
June Jones had both advantages and disadvantages at Hawaii that he doesn't have here. He also had a team full of seniors who had two or three years of playing experience at a lot of positions, a benefit he has not yet had here.

[Treadway21]

giacfsp, Don't bring logic into this/ Logic id not Patton's suit.

[George S. Patton]

Thought about it, and not sure what you mean by using the words "playing on the islands" and "advantage" in the same post. Do you mean a $50,000 recruiting budget, crappy facilities, phenomenally incompetent AD, 3 mainland visits for recruiting in 9 yrs, 172-hr plane rides for all away games. Just want to clarify

And in spite of those deficiencies he took a team to the Sugar Bowl. Now, how many of us knew that Hawaii had a dysfunctional AD until the negotiations between him and SMU got hot and heavy? I would suggest that's when we learned about this.

There's no denying he was coaching with little support. And yes, he probably needed to leave. I will defer to the Hawaii experts on where those changes are. But I would submit to you that he may have appealed to a different type of athlete there than he does here. He also beat some quality opponents on the island including Michigan State and Washington and Arizona State. But I believe a lot of programs who come over to the island have some trouble making the adjustment -- Score one for Hawaii for having a huge advantage.

Since 2002, Hawaii always played more home games than road games. The following shows their home record, the number of games played and the final record. And as the keeper already mentioned, Hawaii could traditionally get that 13th game in early December on the island.
2002 -- 8-1, 14, 10-4
2003 -- 7-1, 14, 9-5
2004 -- 8-1, 13, 8-5
2005 -- 3-4, 12, 5-7
2006 -- 8-1, 14, 11-3
2007 -- 7-0, 13, 12-1

Combined I: From 2002-2007, Hawaii played 80 games (49 home games or 61 percent of the games were at home), the Jones record was 41-8 (84 percent winning percentage) and with the exception of the Sugar Bowl, Hawaii only participated in the Hawaii Bowl. Makes sense. They wanted to sell tickets and get a big gate with the home team.

Combined II: In that time frame, Hawaii's overall record was 55-25 (.687 winning percentage). Off the island, Hawaii was 14-17 (.452 winning percentage).

In his first two years at SMU Jones will have coached 12 home games and 12 road games.

Now, I don't have everything from his time at Hawaii starting in 1999 but I'm giving you something to think about. I do have my doubts that his style of football will translate here and bring us success. My hope is that it does because if we're going to a bowl game I can get to, I'll be there.

But I have some concerns.

Again, did playing on the island inflate the Jones record because he had a great home field advantage?

[George S. Patton]

I hope I've met the requirements set forth by giadklsioekkdht

[Dooby]

He also lost to a I-AA team at home.

[smuuth]

I think the advantage he had once getting them to a cetain level was the weak conference play except for a couple of teams. Once at a certain level, he was almost guaranteed 6 or 7 wins and then if you knock-off a few big name teams who are having off years the prestige rises. Anyone notice how many close games Hawaii had with mediocre teams during their undefeated regular season? I am curious to see how June's status as an offensive guru will stand-up since that was his start as a player who had transferred a couple of times and then his niche in coaching during his early years when nobody else besides a select few knew much about the run and shoot and the spread wasn't around yet. In this day where there are so many who run the spread and defense it, will it still hold up as a viable offense? Is it the system that works or is it having good players that make it work?

[Warbow]

I think the advantage he had once getting them to a cetain level was the weak conference play except for a couple of teams. Once at a certain level, he was almost guaranteed 6 or 7 wins and then if you knock-off a few big name teams who are having off years the prestige rises. Anyone notice how many close games Hawaii had with mediocre teams during their undefeated regular season? I am curious to see how June's status as an offensive guru will stand-up since that was his start as a player who had transferred a couple of times and then his niche in coaching during his early years when nobody else besides a select few knew much about the run and shoot and the spread wasn't around yet. In this day where there are so many who run the spread and defense it, will it still hold up as a viable offense? Is it the system that works or is it having good players that make it work?

You are correct. Hawaii was almost assured 5 wins by playing WAC deadbeats like New Mexico St, Utah St, Idaho, San Jose St. and La Tech. Hawaii even beat those teams during years where Fresno St and Boise St beat us with scores like 66-3, 72-6.

To answer the original question of this thread. No, playing on the island doesn't help to inflate your won or loss record. For every disadvantage you get playing in Hawaii several times zones behind, it evens out when Hawaii has to play on the road. Each WAC team had to travel to Hawaii once every two years. Hawaii had to travel to the mainland 4 times a year.

As much as I hate to say this, JJ will get you guys to a bowl game this or next year. JJ greatest years was when he had a decent defensive coordinator. From what I can see, your defense is on the right track. Expect the wins to come soon.

[George S. Patton]

That's all I wanted was some perspective.

[SMU21TCU10]

I think the advantage he had once getting them to a cetain level was the weak conference play except for a couple of teams. Once at a certain level, he was almost guaranteed 6 or 7 wins and then if you knock-off a few big name teams who are having off years the prestige rises. Anyone notice how many close games Hawaii had with mediocre teams during their undefeated regular season? I am curious to see how June's status as an offensive guru will stand-up since that was his start as a player who had transferred a couple of times and then his niche in coaching during his early years when nobody else besides a select few knew much about the run and shoot and the spread wasn't around yet. In this day where there are so many who run the spread and defense it, will it still hold up as a viable offense? Is it the system that works or is it having good players that make it work?

You are correct. Hawaii was almost assured 5 wins by playing WAC deadbeats like New Mexico St, Utah St, Idaho, San Jose St. and La Tech. Hawaii even beat those teams during years where Fresno St and Boise St beat us with scores like 66-3, 72-6.

To answer the original question of this thread. No, playing on the island doesn't help to inflate your won or loss record. For every disadvantage you get playing in Hawaii several times zones behind, it evens out when Hawaii has to play on the road. Each WAC team had to travel to Hawaii once every two years. Hawaii had to travel to the mainland 4 times a year.

As much as I hate to say this, JJ will get you guys to a bowl game this or next year. JJ greatest years was when he had a decent defensive coordinator. From what I can see, your defense is on the right track. Expect the wins to come soon.

I noticed Idaho is 4-1 this year. All 4 wins are over D-1 teams. only loss is to Washington. When was the last time idaho was 4-1? Would hate to see the Warriors get Beat by the Vandals this year!