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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby rich59 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:39 pm

The BCS does have some influence on the other bowls because BCS teams go to those bowls. But it is ridiculous to start with that the BCS can proclaim it's champion as the National Champion. Who gave them that right? It is all a crock and probably the only way to change it is a big law suit!
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby PK » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:49 pm

Follow the money. It's all about money...and limiting who gets to share in it.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby mustangdm » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:04 pm

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mustangdm wrote:The problem the BCS sees with TCU going to the NC is that their fans won't fill the stadium like a UT team would.

It's really gonna suck next year when they pass the rule that BCS 6-6 teams get preference over non-BCS 7-5 teams for bowls.


I do not understand this, the BCS does not control any of the bowls that 7-5 or 6-6 teams go to. Same with the argument that the BCS tries to bribe all the non AQ schools by having a lot of bowls. The BCS is responsible for their 5 games, nothing else, right?


sorry for the ambiguity. I'm too lazy to look up the article right now but the Big 12 proposed a rule change last month that would allow for BCS conference teams with a 6-6 record to get bowl preference over non-BCS conference 7-5 teams. All BCS conferences have backed the change and want to vote on it.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby Greenwich Pony » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:22 pm

Oo- a chance to rant about something that is not SMU's fault!!!

The BCS is garbage and needs to go. Every other sport determines it's champion by a playoff, and D-1 football needs to do the same thing. Should probably be a 16 team thing, just like whatever they are called D-1AA these days. Conference champs get autobids, and the at-larges are selected by committee. Yes, the #17 and #18 teams may scream they they did not get in with better records than a conference champion that did get in, but then, they did not win their conference championship. That is the magic ticket. The NCAA would make a fortune off this in TV rights, everyone would feel better about the system (think of March Madness, every feels good that a mid-major conference gets an upset, but rarely to they haave a serious chance to take a title from the big boys). If you must continue the bowl thing, you can even make the bowls the individual games in the Playoff teir with a rotation serving as the National Championship game.

And of course, this is completely voluntary. If NCAA presidents believe that the system takes away too much time from the classroom, they do not have to participate. The Ivy League doesn't participate in the D-1AA tournament. It doesn;t seem to hurt them (and yes, I am aware that the money is the issue at the D-1A level).

And while I'm ranting, let's just throw the NCAA into this as well. For an organization specifically created to get a handle on college football to say that they cannot regulate college football is ridiculous. The rules are insanely drafted, the implimentation of the rules is uneven to say the least and frankly, the NCAA relies on self-enforcement these days rather than actually attempting to investigate and enforce the rules unevenly. I have given this a great deal of thought and either the NCAA should retool to actually be a refereee of the rules evenly (which I know won't happen) or they should simply open it up- if schools and boosters want to pay obscene amounts of money for these programs, chase recruits with inducements, etc, while other schools do not, then why stop them? Those who want to play the open game (which is essentially what is going on now anyway) can continue to do so at will, and those who wish to keep the more amateurish system can drop to a lower division or continue to compete at the top division as they wish.

As to paying players- well, I was a musician at SMU, and started as a music major. I got paid well for gigs and even did some recording professionally while I majored in music. Nobody criticized me for making an income as a professional while being a student. I also note that the university did not have to pay me benefits or insurance as an employee while I was playing music. I was once opposed to athletes getting similar treatment but I admit that this is an issue that I have been turned around on.

Okay. I know, nothing that anybody hasn't heard a gazillion times before. But at least I got it off my chest and can continue with my business day.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby froglicious » Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:54 pm

mustangdm wrote:The problem the BCS sees with TCU going to the NC is that their fans won't fill the stadium like a UT team would.
It's really gonna suck next year when they pass the rule that BCS 6-6 teams get preference over non-BCS 7-5 teams for bowls.

Rediculous. The stadium would be full regardless of who plays in the NC Game. If TCU can draw 40k+ for frickin New Mexico, they can surely fill their ticket commitment for an NC game. You seem to have us confused with Houston. We don't smack about it like you guys do but our students and alums aren't exactly Ross Dress For Less shoppers.

We will travel for the right game as we proved with BYU this year and Utah last and all of the bowls we have been to this decade.

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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby PK » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:04 pm

froglicious wrote:
mustangdm wrote:The problem the BCS sees with TCU going to the NC is that their fans won't fill the stadium like a UT team would.
It's really gonna suck next year when they pass the rule that BCS 6-6 teams get preference over non-BCS 7-5 teams for bowls.

Rediculous. The stadium would be full regardless of who plays in the NC Game. If TCU can draw 40k+ for frickin New Mexico, they can surely fill their ticket commitment for an NC game. You seem to have us confused with Houston. We don't smack about it like you guys do but our students and alums aren't exactly Ross Dress For Less shoppers.

We will travel for the right game as we proved with BYU this year and Utah last and all of the bowls we have been to this decade.

GO HUSKERS!
A good portion of the fans at your home games are Fort Worth folks and not alums. That is not a knock...we would love to have Dallas folks help fill our stadium. The point is that most of those Fort Worth folks are not going to help you fill a stadium a 1000 miles away. TCU does travel very well for the size of school that it is, but that does not equate to the amount of fans a Texas or a Florida would bring to the show...IMHO.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby SMUSportsTalkNow101 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:08 pm

TCU in the National Championship would be compelling to a lot of folks, including those who cheer for UT. Think back when George Mason was in the Final 4. TV ratings were very good because a lot of people wanted to see the upset. Understanding football is a different animal than basketball, as is their fandom, but I would think the hype built around it would get a lot of people to watch. I want Nebraska to beat UT, Bama and Florida I don't care: somehow get the Frogs in. They deserve the shot to put up or shut up.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby Phxfan » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:10 pm

The NC will sell out even if it's Boise St v TCU, Which it won't be.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby lwedge » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:22 pm

BCS is here for a LONG time.

For any chance of a playoff, the Big 12 and Pac 10 will have to go to a playoff game at the end of their regular season. Wouldn't be fair otherwise.

Notre Dame will have to join a conference.

I agree with previous note that a playoff of 4, 8 or 16 teams will always leave someone out. And the politics from ABC and ESPN versus CBS would be huge. CBS has the SEC for the next century and ABC/ESPN have the Big 10, Big 12 and PAC 10.

There would be so much lobbying by each network for "their" conferences it would be a joke.

Also, I think the frogs would send plenty of people to ANY BCS game, particularly the National Championship. Each team gets a certain amount, about 18 to 20 thousand tops, and the rest are "available" to sponsors and others.

Miami had about 15,000 in the stadium when they got robbed by Ohio State a few years ago.

Bottom line - everybody is making money and only a few are unhappy.

Sounds like Tiger Woods' women.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby rich59 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:31 pm

Depends on what you call a long time. Don't bet the ranch because the pressure for a playoff is getting stronger all the time. Saying that everyone is making money is flat wrong. A playoff system with all Div1 teams sharing revenue would just mean that most schools who are losing money on football would just lose less money.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby Stallion » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:59 pm

Pressure will never get rid of the BCS. A lawsuit might.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby lwedge » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:44 pm

Stallion wrote:Pressure will never get rid of the BCS. A lawsuit might.


Agreed.

When the SEC will send two teams almost every year to BCS games, with another 5 or 6 going to bowls, they don't want to lessen their revenue stream.

The other point that the Big 10 and Pac 10 won't discuss, particularly the Big 10, is that a playoff system of 8 teams or more would expose their conference as overrated. The PAC 10 was very good this year on balance, but that is not the norm. Could be in the future.

BCS is STRONG.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby mustangdm » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:21 pm

Isn't some congressman trying to bring the BCS up before Congress to get it changed? That might change it. Like our government needs to stick their inefficient nose in one more thing though.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby Stallion » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:40 pm

where did those Congressman and Senators graduate from and to whom do they owe their allegience-there is no chance in hell that Congress does a thing to stop the BCS-a lawsuit is the only viable vehicle for getting rid of BCS control.
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Re: What I would love to see happen to the BCS

Postby mr. pony » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:57 pm

I'd love to see Nebraska kick Texas' @ss. TCU in the championship would REALLY screw up the BCS.
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