Big Televen Issues Official Statement on Expansion

[NickSMU17]

Why would anyone select Colorado State over TCU (or other programs)? (Yes I know I am biased but is there any reason ANY conference would do this?) Colorado State averaged 26K in attendance this year and has capacity of maybe 34K. They went 4-8 in '06, 3-9 in '07, 7-6 in '08 and 3-9 in '09. They have bad basketball teams and no baseball program. I don't think they bring anything as far as TV sets or recruiting, etc. Why are they even a consideration???

Go wait by your phone for the call from the Big 12

[ReedFrawg]

Go wait by your phone for the call from the Big 12

What I meant was...I couldn't care less about the Big 12....just looking for some insight as to why people think Colorado State should be under consideration.

[NickSMU17]

Go wait by your phone for the call from the Big 12

Up yours...I couldn't care less about the Big 12.

Go [deleted] yourself...

[RednBlue11]

ladies, ladies...

[dcpony]

I'm also wondering how the expiration of the BCS contract in 2015 is going to affect realignment and a potential playoff.

[RednBlue11]

I'm also wondering how the expiration of the BCS contract in 2015 is going to affect realignment and a potential playoff.

if it even gets that far...watch for congress to throw their own special wrench into this mess...people are always skeptical that the House gets anything done but when they are playing this game for votes, thats when things get passed.

[lwjr]

whatever the rest of the country does, I think SMU winds up with one of two realities, assuming anything happens at all.

EITHER in the MWC w/ Boise St (hello again TCU) and some other CUSA refugees


OR still in the CUSA with La Tech and NTSU.


and that's it.

If that were to be the option, I will take the MWC and day of the week and twice on Sunday. I think being in a conference with La. Tech, NTSU would be a killer for SMU.
Also, I believe the question is not if but when does Mizzou leave the Big 12, according to some Arkansas grads, that are pretty good financial contributors, the piggies are dying to leave the SEC and would love to join the Big 12. They think the hogs would be able to compete, recruit and travel better in a more regional confernce. If that were to happen, I can not see the SEC wanting another private school in thier conference. In fact I can not see any of the major conferences wanting another private school in thier repective conferences other than a Notre Dame.

[froglicious]

Why would anyone select Colorado State over TCU (or other programs)? (Yes I know I am biased but is there any reason ANY conference would do this?) Colorado State averaged 26K in attendance this year and has capacity of maybe 34K. They went 4-8 in '06, 3-9 in '07, 7-6 in '08 and 3-9 in '09. They have bad basketball teams and no baseball program. I don't think they bring anything as far as TV sets or recruiting, etc. Why are they even a consideration???

BCS conferences, especially big 12, 10, southeast conf don't dig NFL cities. CSU doesn't threaten UT and OU either. It has nothing to do with getting better as a conf as much as it is about protecting the two queens. Actually would strengthen the 12 some because their guaranteed win over CU each year would no longer be ooc. CU could schd one of the U La schools like UTard does.

The MWC could handle losing CSU. Boise, UH, SMU, Fresno would kick it to 12 and prolly get the AQ.

[Samurai Stang]

Go wait by your phone for the call from the Big 12

What I meant was...I couldn't care less about the Big 12....just looking for some insight as to why people think Colorado State should be under consideration.

A serious question that deserves a serious response. TCU has the misfortune of being in Texas. Were it added to the Big 12, it would throw off scheduling and recruiting among the Big 12 South. Colorado State allows that market to be maintained and does not force Oklahoma State into the Big 12 North. Unfortunately for TCU, the Big 12 already operates under the assumption that it controls the Dallas-Fort Worth market. Were TCU in Kansas or Nebraska, there would be no question as to their being taken.

[ReedFrawg]

A serious question that deserves a serious response. TCU has the misfortune of being in Texas. Were it added to the Big 12, it would throw off scheduling and recruiting among the Big 12 South. Colorado State allows that market to be maintained and does not force Oklahoma State into the Big 12 North. Unfortunately for TCU, the Big 12 already operates under the assumption that it controls the Dallas-Fort Worth market. Were TCU in Kansas or Nebraska, there would be no question as to their being taken.

I certainly understanding all of the reasons for the big 12 not to take TCU so let's take TCU out of the equation for now. I am just pointing out that there are still better candidates out there besides CSU - as an example, why not New Mexico or even UNLV? They bring as much or more to the table than CSU - comparable football and better basketball/baseball.

[smusic 00]

CU/CSU, KU/KSU, NEB/ISU balances very tidily with OU/OSU, UT/ATM/TT....bu

CSU maintains the geographical boundries and natural rivalries that the Big 12 has developed, since the CU-CSU game already exists on the schedule (Big 12 then gets two games played in 'neutral' NFL cities (Dallas and Denver))

[huskerpony]

I have seen CSU brought up mainly in the "if CU went to the Pac-10" scenario (or the both Mizzou and CU leave scenario.) CSU could serve as a replacement for the Denver market. If it is to replace only Mizzou and they are looking west, I would think a Utah team would be their target. (A few people have mentioned them as a rival for CU, but that adds nothing to the table for the other 10 teams--or CU for that matter because they already play every year. New Mexico or Wyoming would make more sense.)

[Stallion]

if the Big 12 has to go as low as CSU then things have gone horibly wrong for that conference. Truth is if the Big 10 moves soon, Big 12 will be able to get a good replacement because the PAC 10 will drag its feet until their options are gone. Might want to remember that PAC-10 requires unanimous vote in favor of expansion. PAC-10 will be the final domino.

[EastStang]

BE will not take Memphis, no way no how. They already hit their cap for dance tickets to the NCAA and with 16 mouths to feed for that, they are not going to add another strong basketball program. I see them them doing one of two things. Telling Villanova to move up. Nova may very well win the FCS title this year and Nova has a clause in their contract allowing them to do that at any time. This would not cause any ripples at all. If the BE had to go to say 12 in football to get by, then they would have to add five teams. A raid on CUSA east would net them UCF (not wanted by USF), ECU (nice program, but another mouth to feed), Memphis (good basketball, terrible football), USM (too far south and west), UAB (irrelevent in football), Marshall (over WVU's dead body). So, I really think CUSA gets a pass this time. And the MAC might be worse for them. Ohio, BG, Directional Michigans, Directional Illinois, Buffalo, really don't do much for them. I think the BE might try and make some sort of play for Army and Navy as football only members. To be honest their best bold move would be to have a north and south division in football. North- UConn, WVU, Pitt, Rutgers, Cincy, Louisville. South- USF, USM (or ECU), SMU, TCU, Rice and UH. Why? Adds DFW and Houston TV markets in a big way. #4 and #8. USM adds strength. Remember this is for football only, not all sports. And the attendance probably wouldn't change for anyone. As for any scenario that adds SMU to the MWC, my view is no unless TCU, BYU, and AFA signed a commitment in blood to stay together. Otherwise, we will just end up in WAC worse.

[BRStang]

First of all, as I see it, the Big 10 would be crazy not to take Rutgers over Mizzou. Rutgers gives the Big 10 an entre into the NY/NJ media market and Rutgers is similar academically and in size to the other Big 10 schools. I also read that NJ is like the 2nd most fertile recruiting ground in the Northeast. The Big 10 doesn't need Pitt, as they already have that market with Penn St. I also still can't see Mizzou leaving the Big 12, primarily because it would hurt their Texas recruiting and they would be leaving 2 big rivals in Nebraska and Kansas.

If Mizzou were to be chosen and actually go, AND Arky was somehow stupid enough to leave the SEC, I would think the most logical choice for the SEC would be Florida State. One of the SEC East teams would have to jump to the SEC West, but I can promise you that the TCU to the SEC thing is a non-starter. The SEC would love to dump Vandy if they could. They will not be taking any more 6000 student private schools...ever. Tulane was so ridiculously stupid to leave the SEC when they did.

I just hope for SMU's sake that the musical chair game gets over with quickly. If the Big 10 picks Rutgers, and then the Big East grabs Memphis, I hope we just replace Memphis with La Tech and it is over with. I'm not too keen on joining those old WAC teams in a reconstituted MWC like some people are espousing.